Canada’s Proposed Gun Law
BY Herschel Smith
8 years, 8 months ago
When it comes to legislation, terminology is everything. Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette introduced Bill S-223 on April 12. This bill proposes to change the categorization of “non-restricted firearm” to “hunting firearm” and “restricted firearm” to “circumscribed firearm.”
A “hunting firearm” will now be defined as:
a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm or a circumscribed firearm — that is prescribed to be a hunting firearm and that
(a) has a smoothbore barrel that is more than 470 mm long,
(b) has a striated barrel that is more than 470 mm long and that can discharge 22-calibre rimfire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner, or
(c) is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise;
What this seems to imply, is that you will be able to hunt with ONLY shotguns, smoothbore black powder, and .22 rimfire rifles.
You will not be able hunt or possess any center fire rifles for hunting purposes.
All center fire rifles might then be re-categorized as a “circumscribed firearm.”
A “circumscribed firearm” will now be defined as:
(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
(b) a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm — that has a barrel equal to or less than 470 mm,
(c) a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm — that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner, or
(d) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise;
This will effectively ban all semi-automatics, as there are also new storage provisions:
17 (1) Subject to subsection (2) and to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited firearm or circumscribed firearm, the holder of the inscription certificate for which is an individual, may be possessed only at a shooting club or a storage facility recorded in the Canadian Firearms Registry.
This means that all firearms, except for “hunting firearms” and 12(6) for a gun collection, will be stored at a central storage facility.
It looks like boy beautiful and his girly followers are feeling their oats. Okay, so let me explain for my friends up North how this should work.
You don’t face down teams of police on your doorstep. Ever. When they arrive, your guns will be gone. You warmly invite them into your house, and say, “Come on in, I’m honored to have heroes of the community in my humble house. God bless you for your sacrifice.”
You take them to your gun safe, and there they find the sacrificial gun, that cheap $400 revolver you don’t want, and not much more (a few scattered cartridges, some papers, some scattered odds and ends). They walk out of the house thinking, “Hey, I’m glad that went so easy and that it’s over with.”
But it’s not over with. Know who your local police are. Make sure to let them know in no uncertain terms, without them knowing who you are, that it is all just beginning. Make your points in the shadows, not in the light of day. Make it clear to them that you will not tolerate infringements on your God-given rights.
If you don’t know the cops who did it because they are cowards and wore masks, note that their police colleagues supported them and let them do it. They are all culpable now. Make your points to all your known community police. In the shadows.
Make your points until the police no longer want to wage war on otherwise peaceable citizens. Make your points in the shadows.
That’s how this should go down. Do you understand?
On April 21, 2016 at 11:40 pm, Billy Mullins said:
The problem, Herschel, is that Canadians, since Canada is part of the Commonwealth of Great Britain, are not citizens but subjects. So far as I can tell, the difference between subjects and serfs is largely semantics. Subjects’ rights are granted to them by the government and thus are subject to being modified or eliminated entirely. IMS, Canada never fought for its independence and thus have no tradition or history of rebellion/revolution.
I am not a hunter, but is it really possible to kill anything larger than a coyote with a .22? I know they refer to a shotgun shell filled with 00 shot as “buckshot” but is it possible to kill a deer with such at much beyond point blank range? What about shotgun slugs? are they accurate at all from a smoothbore gun?
On April 24, 2016 at 11:53 pm, StopShouting said:
Canadians have been “citizens” since 1947. As to the rest of your assertions … please don’t comment on history you clearly have no knowledge or understanding of and therefore aiding in the spreading of disinformation.
It is interesting that the newly installed socialists are attempting another gun registry, which the Harper government had just dismantled due to non-compliance and costs. The prior Trudeau administrations were known for their overreach; (and, infamously, the imposition of martial law during the FLQ crisis) I suppose the son will carry on the legacy.
On April 26, 2016 at 7:56 pm, Markbo said:
You should take your own council and not spread misinformation. Québec Premier Robert Bourassa, and the Mayor of Montreal, Jean Drapeau, requested that the Government of Canada invoke the War Measures Act, providing far-reaching powers for police. In recent years, because of the parallel requisitioning of the military “in aid of the civil power” by the Premier of Quebec, in the October Crisis, it has been mistakenly thought of as invoking martial law.
On April 26, 2016 at 8:24 pm, Fred said:
“…invoke the War Measures Act, providing far-reaching powers for police.
In recent years, because of the parallel requisitioning of the military ‘in aid of the civil power’…”
That’s not martial law?
On April 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm, StopShouting said:
Exactly. Thank you.
On April 26, 2016 at 8:57 pm, StopShouting said:
I rest my case. I lived through the FLQ crisis and experienced the “War Measures Act” aka martial law (albeit temporary) firsthand. Ergo, I feel qualified to comment. And you?
On April 30, 2016 at 7:41 am, L O said:
Yeah, I read that you were the only one alive during the FLQ..
On April 30, 2016 at 2:45 pm, Billy Mullins said:
Ah, I stand corrected. Canadians truly ARE citizens as opposed to being subjects.
Now, as to history; in what year(s) did Canada fight a revolution to attain independence from Great Britain? Where might one read the text of Canada’s “Declaration of Independence” or similar document? Hmmm? That was at least half of my point. Also, do Canadians hold to the concept (as expressed in the AMERICAN Declaration of Independence) of Creator-endowed rights? If not, whence originate Canadians’ rights? Pray enlighten me, oh fount of wisdom.
On April 26, 2016 at 2:22 pm, Mr. Lion said:
You certainly can drop all manner of game with a .22 LR, up to and including deer with a well placed shot. Buckshot and slugs are also highly effective and quite accurate (I can put a dozen slugs on a deer-shaped target from 50 yards any day of the week).
That’s not the issue, though, as this has squat to do with hunting. The issue is quite simply confiscation, and the one-direction ratchet of “reasonable” that has effectively disarmed every “free” population the world over for the last century. Canada is largely doomed, as the minority who will resist will find no comfort or popularity from the hand-wringers nor champions of their cause in government. That ship has sailed.
On April 30, 2016 at 2:37 pm, Billy Mullins said:
Thank you for your response. I truly did not know much of what you wrote (which is why I asked. Ignorance in not incurable). I have no problem putting 10 rounds of .308 into a dinner plate at 100 yds so if you say slugs and buckshot are effective, I appreciate you sharing your experience/knowledge. Good to know those boxes of 12 gau .00 buck could be useful for something besides justifying some remodeling. ;)
On April 22, 2016 at 6:49 am, VuvuSac-TSL said:
Night letters can be extremely effective in getting your message out. It can add a personal touch when used appropriately.
On April 25, 2016 at 5:44 am, Tuci78 said:
When hunting vermin becomes – or is made by fiat – impracticable, there is always resort to entrapment and poisoning.
What are the behavioral characteristics of government goons which make them susceptible to such tactics of suppression? Well, for one thing, the private citizenry might be advised to steer clear of donut shops on certain specified dates….
On April 25, 2016 at 1:36 pm, Dan Morgan said:
Exactly, you beat me to it.
On April 22, 2016 at 7:41 pm, UNCLEELMO said:
Interesting. After doing a search and finding the Wikipedia page of the authoress of this bill, I read this: “Céline Hervieux-Payette will retire from the Senate on April 22, 2016 upon reaching the mandatory retirement age of 75.”
Which means she and Vladimir Lenin share the same birthday. Coincidence? I think not.
On April 25, 2016 at 12:13 am, StopShouting said:
She is a Quebecois who was a minor cabinet minister in the Trudeau (father) administration, and then was unable to win an election on her own in subsequent elections until appointed to the Senate.
What are “important values” in Quebec, especially within their hard core socialist circles do not necessarily line up with the rest of Canada, particularly Western Canada. Quebec is allowed almost limitless carve-outs from Canadian laws, but that does not mean that they can unilaterally impose their parochial views on the rest of the country. Canada’s multiparty system rarely grants any one part a gross majority where they can “impose” regulation that is politically unpopular in regions of the country that are key to maintaining a “coalition” government. Trudeau (Jr.) “won” but with only 39.5% of the national popular vote. Winning the “905” belt of Toronto was a keystone of their victory. Although this area is now “immigrant rich” it is also an area that could easily flip back to Conservative control if gun control is pushed against populist will.
The long gun registry in Canada was dismantled because of massive non-compliance and that the costs to maintain could no longer be politically justified. Quebec, however, was permitted to keep the long gun registry in place, and also has a myriad of other province-specific “gun control” rules and regulations that are not in place elsewhere in the country.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/02/gun-registry-montreal-standoff_n_3692019.html
On April 23, 2016 at 2:44 am, Daniel Barger said:
Doesn’t matter what country you live in or what political ‘system’ you are subject to. Rule number one is NEVER EVER oppose those in power ON THEIR TERMS. They will always win. You operate on YOUR rules at a time of YOUR choosing in a method YOU decide that is to YOUR advantage.
On April 25, 2016 at 6:52 am, robins111 said:
Interestingly the rules for policy changes in Canada are already defined by the left up here.
The socialist political parties invariably retreat in abject sniveling at any hint of violent response to any proposed legislation that is viewed as wrong by such groups as Natives, Muslims and more recently to blacks.
I suspect that there’s a bunch of gun owners who have viewed the craven capitulation to these groups and decided that this is the only way to get the attention of these lefty fools is to take it to the level they can understand. I would suggest that several political figures, a handful of media people and some senior snivel service types are being recce’d right about now.
If this goes Canada wide, there’s not an effing thing the federal nor provincial governments can do about it, as they have made sure that the only possible tool to engage such a uprising, the military, has been downsized and gutted till its almost non-existent.
On April 25, 2016 at 1:16 pm, StopShouting said:
Lessons can be gleaned from prior conflicts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oka_Crisis
On April 25, 2016 at 3:23 pm, Paul X said:
Doesn’t seem likely to become law. Ignorable if it does. Going “active” is always an option, to be exercised at one’s individual choice of place and time. It wouldn’t take too many hits to send a message; even a single individual could make an impression.
On April 25, 2016 at 5:23 pm, robins111 said:
I rather expect it’s a trial baloon sent up by the libs in the parliment. There has been a real ramping up of anti-gun stories in liberal supporting media (But I repeat myself) recently, laying the ground work for more nonsense firearms legislation
On April 26, 2016 at 8:40 pm, Fred said:
https://youtu.be/48BrHFaJS_c
On April 27, 2016 at 1:48 am, Carl In Alaska said:
Nothing worse than a neutered and quéér polar bear. Such as shame for a once proud country.
On April 27, 2016 at 11:40 pm, Loog Moog said:
We in the States don’t have our guns just for hunting. We have them to discourage Government Types from putting us in Concentration Camps or methodically killing us. as happened in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Poland, Cambodia, and places too numerous to mention. My definition, despite the ‘legal’ one- of a “subject” is a citizen without a gun. When the Globalists have overrun Canada, we will still be free. Free or dead- not slaves.
On April 30, 2016 at 6:43 am, grayfozx114 said:
Not just the Canadians!!!! Look at what obama has proposed to do with executive order: Smart Gun Technology, among other things. Look at what Hitlery and her spawn are saying: If we can get one judge on the court, we can have gun control! The antis are like a cancer, grwoing and becoming more deadly by the day! And here in the good old USA, look at Kalif,m NY, NJ, Illinois: All crime ridden socialist paradise’s that have strict gun control laws, want more and do nothing to stop crime, but everything to hanper gun ownership by law abiding people! Kailf, from which I fled some years ago, decided to allow certain guns, “assault weapons,” if they were registered and had certain state mandated features. The rush was on, now the bureaucrats are wanting to ban these formerly legal weapons, mags, etc! There is no end to the appetite, and they are coming for your guns, Look at the anti gun task force they have: Going after gun violators, and not just those with criminal pasts!!!! Silence is Consent, and Kalifornias gun owners had best wake up and start yelling! If that doesn’t work?????? I won;t say it, but it is obvious! As someone once said about either the gestapo or the Russian secret police: They did what they did because they did not fear retribution! Things would have been much different if they had been met with a club, a knife, a gun, anything that might prevent them from going home after their work was done! When all else fails:
“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”
– Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
“[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.”
– Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788
On April 30, 2016 at 7:38 am, L O said:
Progressing back to sticks and stones.. for the safety of all.
On May 1, 2016 at 2:54 pm, TimeHasCome said:
I live near the so called Canadian border and all it is is a few markers and a 40 year old barb wire fence that is mostly down . Laws are only made for people that obey them . Whether it is Ottawa or Washington DC I stopped listening to those folks years ago .
Keep in mind Americans are snapping up 30 million firearms this year . So the Canadians will hike down with the pot and return with the boom sticks.