LEOs Turning On American Citizens: Where Do You Stand?
BY Herschel Smith
8 years, 7 months ago
I just ran across a post from two months back on the CDR Salamander blog, “The Sad Truth About Illegal Orders.” I can’t really claim to know much about the blog or this blogger, but I cite it here because he raises a question that seems particularly suited for Oath Keepers. He recounts an exchange between presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump and Bret Baier of Fox News, specifically on Trump’s endorsement of waterboarding, going “stronger” on terrorists, and targeting their families.
Baier referred to an open letter signed by “almost 100 foreign policy experts,” saying “the military will refuse because they’ve been trained to turn down and refuse illegal orders. So what would you do, as commander-in-chief, if the U.S. military refused to carry out those orders?”
“They won’t refuse,” Trump replied. “They’re not going to refuse me. Believe me.”
“Citizens of a free republic are applauding a man who is telling everyone two things that should disgust anyone who took an oath to ‘support and defend the Constitution of the United States,’” the blogger notes. “1. The CINC will issue illegal orders. 2. His military will gladly follow those illegal orders. 3. Citizens applaud 1 & 2.”
As for members of the military who might refuse?
“The more I’ve thought about it, the more I think my initial instinct is wrong,” CDR Salamander admits. “That might be an internal dialog, but once a senior officer looks you in the eye, and even if you make a protest says, ‘The JAG stated,’ or ‘The Justice Department ruled that,’ there are very few who will resist.”
That goes to the crux of what Oath Keepers is about, noting the oath is to the Constitution and the applicability of the Uniform Code of Military Justice as binding law prohibiting a Nuremberg-style “I was only following orders” defense. That’s the legal basis for “Orders we will not obey.”
And that, of course, is used by subversive “progressives” to label Oath Keepers “anti-government extremists” (and worse). That’s part of the Orwellian “War is peace; Freedom is slavery; Ignorance is strength” contradictions employed by the evil to influence and exploit the ignorant and advance the totalitarian agenda.
But here’s the thing …
Well, this is a heavy issue. See also Son, Will You Fire On American Citizens? My son won’t, and I know that for an absolute fact. But he is no longer in the Marine Corps. LEOs are something different altogether. I’ll leave it to another time to explore the many facets of differences between the two, but for now suffice it to say that I’m not too worried about the military.
LEOs – perhaps. Let LEOs have children, get their medical care and family support dependent on the government, and my bet is that they will just about to a man say, “Well, if you don’t like the laws elect men who will change them. In the mean time, I’ll enforce the laws on the books that the courts have found constitutional.” They will defer to the black robed tyrants for their moral framework, and they’ll do it because of the pressure from their spouses to provide for the family.
That’s just what I think. If you disagree, then name me a single time in history – anywhere, anytime – where law enforcement has refused to obey orders?
On May 11, 2016 at 8:27 am, Fred said:
The gov will likely create an internal security apparatus which will implement internal security checkpoints, buy billions of rounds of ammo, take over national training of law enforcement through internal security threat directives, develop internal intelligence collection methods and tactics for law enforcement at all levels, give law enforcement free spy equipment, and make long term plans to control everyone and everything. Oh wait, that already happened.
History shows that gov will have zero difficulty finding millions that will take, torture, and kill for it’s glory. Will current police participate? They will if they want their job, but no worries, there are plenty that enjoy harming people, they are easy to find.
As for the military; are they still trained on illegal orders? My nephew is in tech school (navy) and I told him before he went in to seek a deep understanding of illegal orders and to make sure they trained him on it. I also told him that if he took his training and turned it on his fellow citizens I would hunt and kill him, this child that I love and helped to raise up. He understood that this is no small matter.
There is a higher law – Rom 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
On May 11, 2016 at 9:30 am, Big Boss said:
I always thought I was well-versed in history, but when I moved to Wyoming I discovered this place called Heart Mountain. In addition to being a beautiful area, Heart Mountain was also an internment camp for Japanese-American citizens during WWII. Many Japanese soldiers in the US Army at the time were demoted for no reason other than being ethnically Japanese. Despite depriving these people of their rights, the Supreme Court ruled that their internment was Constitutional & justified. After the war, when these people were released, they were forbidden from even purchasing land in Wyoming. They had nothing and had to all start over again. I’m not in law enforcement so I can’t answer that question, but I am a veteran. A lot of young guys in the military are impressionable, many don’t get the bill of rights and how glorious our Constitution really is. I remember seeing a news story from Hurricane Katrina about the police and National Guard going around New Orleans confiscating guns. It was so disheartening.
What would it take to make me take up arms against a fellow American? Try to confiscate my property or force me to go somewhere against my will. I won’t go to a camp. I’m a free American citizen, and those things are worth fighting for.