Donald Trump’s Hatred Of Suppressors
BY Herschel Smith
5 years, 5 months ago
As soon as the blood was spilled the controllers came out of the woodwork to shill their ideas. First up is The Washington Post, or in other words, Jeff Bezos’ and the CIA’s blog.
But details of the rampage include one fact unique to the growing list of active-shooter cases: the assailant used a .45-caliber handgun with extended magazines and a barrel suppressor. This small detail — that the loaded gun was fitted with simple, and lawful, “silencing” equipment — threatens to upend how we understand and train for active-shooter cases in the future.
Let’s stop right there. I’ve never “trained” for an active shooter situation by learning to “run, hide and fight.” Only the DHS is stupid enough to purvey such nonsense.
But details of the rampage include one fact unique to the growing list of active-shooter cases: the assailant used a .45-caliber handgun with extended magazines and a barrel suppressor. This small detail — that the loaded gun was fitted with simple, and lawful, “silencing” equipment — threatens to upend how we understand and train for active-shooter cases in the future.
But the Virginia Beach killer seemed to want the anonymity of silence, a tool of the coward, not one seeking fame or a blaze of glory. None of the videos or manifestos we’ve seen from New Zealand to Las Vegas appear to be part of the Virginia Beach story. The killer wanted silence.
Silence is the enemy of time. An entire “run, hide, fight” policy that governs every school, workforce and the first-responder community in active-shooter cases is conditioned on an important premise: that there is situational awareness that shots have been fired, bullets are flying and it’s always best to run the other way. Once you know where the bullets are coming from, you can — as I tell my own kids — “sprint if you can; duck if you can’t; and fight only if you must. I only have one of each of you.”
If she would rather teach her children that than arm defenders around them, she hates her children. But you see where this is going. Now the controllers are targeting suppressors. Next up, USA Today.
It’s not immediately clear how long Friday’s attack lasted, or how much time passed before the first police officers arrived on scene. But some gun control advocates say the suppressor may have caught the victims off guard. One survivor described hearing something that sounded like a nail gun.
“Especially on a handgun, a suppressor will distort the sound in such a way that it would not immediately be recognizable as gunfire to people who sort of know what that sound is,” said David Chipman, a retired agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and now the senior policy adviser with Giffords, a gun-control lobbying group.
Oh, I see. An “expert.” It’s always better for your story when you can get an “expert” to weigh in, yes?
But finally, the beloved Donald Trump himself. Someone baited him with a question about suppressors, and he had this to say.
Q The suspect in the Virginia Beach shooting used a silencer on his weapon. Do you believe that silencers should be restricted?
THE PRESIDENT: I don’t like them at all.
First we had the bump stock ban courtesy of a single, solitary, action by the federal executive remaking federal law on a whim. Nice precedent, Mr. Trump. We’ll see that used for very nefarious purposes in the future, no doubt. Then we had support for red flag laws (or so-called extreme risk protection orders). Then we had the selection of a gun controller to head the ATF, and finally today we get loathing of suppressors.
In fact it wouldn’t surprise me to see a bill pass the House and Senate headed for Trump’s desk to outlaw them completely, something that is no more than a muffler intended to save the hearing of target shooters and sportsmen.
You see, Trump can honestly claim that he is a defender of the second amendment when his definition of the second amendment is that you get to keep a pistol in your home if the Police say so, and only under certain very strict conditions you may be able to carry it like he does.
It’s a matter of language and world and life view. His isn’t yours, and yours isn’t his. When he says he is a defender of the second amendment, he doesn’t mean what you want him to mean.
On June 3, 2019 at 10:48 pm, MTHead said:
I turned on my computer. went to the internet. the home page had the fresh story up. clicked on. It was a video of a survivor, (shaken woman). first words out of her mouth, “we heard the shots.” we barricaded the door. and tried to hide. we couldn’t believe it was happening.
We know suppressors aren’t silent. but, damn. they need to school their witnesses better.
On June 3, 2019 at 11:30 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
As he again has proved, with his own actions and statements, President Trump is “pro-gun” only in comparison with someone like Hillary Clinton.
He was in New York for a long time – apparently too long.
On June 4, 2019 at 3:03 am, Dan said:
It’s a ‘target of opportunity’. Just like the bumpstock was in Vegas.
There is no credible evidence that the gun used in Vegas had a bumpstock.
Only that there were guns (out of a couple dozen in the room) that did have bumpstocks. But because it was present at a horrendous event
it became something the left could fixate on and get banned. Just as they
will now attempt to ban suppressors. NOT because the presence or absence of one mattered….but simply BECAUSE THEY CAN. It’s just part of the ‘death by a thousand cuts’ method of destroying the Second Amendment. If a mass killing event ever occurs where a bayonet is
present they will IMMEDIATELY start calling for a ban on bayonets.
Likewise for swords, machetes or anything else. BANNING WEAPONS
is the agenda. Any weapon and all weapons.
On June 4, 2019 at 7:18 am, Gator said:
This is the first time a suppressor has been used for something like this that I’m aware of. If I’m wrong, feel free to correct me. Once was all it tookwith bunp stocks though, and theynever actually said a bunp stock was used either, just that they found some among his stash of ARs. I personally think bunp stocks are stupid and have no desire to own one, but as I’ve said from the beginning, you let them get away with arbitrarily banning things because you don’t personally like them, eventually .gov will ban something you DO like. “First they came for the bump stocks……”. You know the rest. Banning something that complied with the letter of a law passed by both houses of Congress and signed into a law by executive order strikes me as very unconstitutional but that seems to be the trend these days.
Another thing that irritates me is the notion that suppressors aren’t ‘restricted’ which is implied by that reporters question. Filing all that paperwork, getting passport photos taken, having to drag my wife and kids to a police station to get finger printed (she is on the trust, so we both have to do it for each item now. Kids are little so they have to go where we go) and then sending all of that in with a check for 200$ along with paperwork to the CLEO, and then waiting 9-15 months isn’t ‘restricted’?
Another thought – gotta wonder if this new ATF guy will simply sit on these applications even longer now. When I was going to the dealer I had the suppressor shipped to back in April, he told me he had two that he’d had in there waiting for approval since January 2018. That’s 16 months. For something that muffled a guns report to just below hearing safe. Madness. And the owner of the shop said he had no idea how many items this guy already had, but that he’d bought 8-9 suppressors from him over the years already. My guess is that no matter how this shakes out, we will be looking at even longer wait times. I’m waiting on two right now and have been thinking about a .30 cal for a blackout build. Guess I might as well order it now.
On June 4, 2019 at 7:54 am, Frank Clarke said:
Well, thank God you all didn’t waste your vote on that loser Gary Johnson. Whatever would we do without a strong Republican defender of our rights in the White House?
On June 4, 2019 at 7:56 am, Heywood said:
@Frank. Sorry, I lived under a Gary Johnson administration in NM. They guy talks a good game, but he makes Jeff Flake look solid. He was NOT the answer.
On June 4, 2019 at 9:43 am, June J said:
Yeah, Gary Johnson. It was so close, he only needed another 270 electoral votes…Johnson’s a whack job with no chance of mustering enough support to be serious. That’s the problem with the Libertarian Party, their platform is as out of touch with Americans as Pelosi/Schumer/AOC/etc.
Thanks to the most recent Democrat killer with a gun, the Hearing Protection Act is even more toxic to the gutless politicians.
The NRA and Trump are a good partnership. Bloomberg, Soros and the rest should save their money and let the NRA/Trump train destroy the 2A.
On June 4, 2019 at 10:49 am, Chris Mallory said:
Gator, supposedly Dorner out in California a few years ago used one.
There are around 1.5 million legally owned suppressors in the USA, according to the ATF.
Each year the ATF only refers around 50 suppressor cases to be prosecuted. No clue how many of those prosecutions are “solvent trap” suppressors or other home made illegal suppressors.
I really doubt too many people who buy the $200 tax stamp, pass an ATF anal probe and wait a year are going to commit very many crimes.
It will be interesting to see if the VA Beach shooter had any brain abnormalities. Supposedly his behavior had changed in the past year to the point he was getting into scuffles with co workers.
On June 4, 2019 at 11:01 am, billrla said:
Instant shut-down of facts. A little-know firearm accessory (other than among people who are educated and informed about firearms). Jumping to conclusions. Ready-made explanations unsupported by what little “evidence” has slipped-out. Media rallying to the call for more government control. Shaddy special-interests fanning the flames. All too familiar.
On June 4, 2019 at 11:34 am, Gryphon said:
And the Race of the Criminal has been systematically ‘whitewashed’ (pun Intended) by the (((MSM))). Had the individual been “White” the entire thing would have been presented as a naziracistwhitesupremicisthatecrime. Notice that the Majority of the Victims were White- yet none of the (((media))) has called it a “Hate Crime”.
Thus, the ‘Targeting’ of the (alleged, where’s the Pics?) Suppressor as the Proximate Cause of the Crime. I’ll Bet that even fewer libtard anti-gun idiots have ever actually Heard a Suppressed Weapon fired, than have a CCW ‘permit’.
p.s. Trump is just another zionist/neocon, big-government ‘controller’. Anyone who thinks that him being president will halt the erosion of our rights is eating some kind of Mushrooms….
On June 4, 2019 at 12:42 pm, DAN III said:
ALCON,
Re: POTUS Trump.
Here is the bottom line to ANY thoughts one may have (at least those reading this blog) regarding Donald John Trump….he was no more than the lesser of two evils in NOV 16. Evil is still evil.
Just like every election in fUSA from dogcatcher to POTUS….it is a facade. Try voting in a primary when registered as any party other than the Uniparty.
Verify your zero. Make Peace with your God.
On June 4, 2019 at 12:51 pm, DAN III said:
Frank Clarke @ 0754,
Please dispense with the “our rights” bull dung. A fUSA citizen has only the rights granted him by the scum one calls “government”. Keep on voting. That’s the answer, eh Frank ?
As far as the scum of government are concerned one only has two rights:
1. Death.
2. Taxation.
Hemp & Lead. It is and will be, the ONLY solution to the tyranny of what government, at every level in fUSA, has become.
On June 4, 2019 at 2:08 pm, JoeFour said:
I voted for Trump and I am bitterly disappointed in him to say the very least. Here’s a link to an article comparing candidate Trump’s promises with president Trump’s actions. It ain’t a pretty picture.
https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3875/TRUMP-LIED.aspx
On June 4, 2019 at 3:54 pm, Gator said:
Chris, I’d guess that accounts for a sizable percentage of them. Something that shouldn’t even be illegal in the first place. Most of the rest of them are probably for some kind of inane nonsense or paperwork BS, not using one in the commission of an actual crime. Or people making things they aren’t supposed to at home, which are also laws I don’t agree with. People going through the collosal hassle the government makes this process are extremely unlikely to commit an actual crime with it.
Just wait until the next shooting. The shooter will *GASP* shoulder an AR pistol with one of those SB tactical braces. Trump will then declare them illegal too. Or maybe one of those Echo triggers.
On June 4, 2019 at 7:17 pm, Miles said:
Leaving aside for the moment Trump’s standard penchant for spouting the first thing that pops into his head without thinking about it;
I have been following every press conference and announcement from VBPD and the ATF.
Here’s the deal; There’s no proof that a suppressor, “legal” or not actually was used.
The only time anyone who actually could have knowledge of what guns were used, spoke the words ‘sound suppressor’ was when the VB Police Chief mentioned it a couple of times during the 2nd presser on the evening of the murders. After that, a ‘suppressor’ or ‘silencer’ being used has only been mentioned by news media parroting him and a few standard operational gun-grabber politicians.
During the very next day’s pressers, the Chief never mentioned one being used and the ATF Regional SAIC didn’t either during his statement. All he did was say that the two .45 pistols recovered had been legally purchased be the murderer.
I’m actually a bit surprised no one in the media brought the subject back up or wonder why the Chief or ATF agent didn’t mention it after the information about the gun trace was announced.
Strange huh?
I would have bet you that if a suppressor, legally transferred to the shooter or not, had been recovered, that Federal Agent would have not failed to say something about a NFA item being used.
I think that there was nothing more than a compensator on one of the guns and a cop that was on scene – who has seen too many movies with Hollywood fakeout tiny prop silencers – thought it was one.
Until there is confirmation by the ATF whether or not a suppressor/silencer was used on one of the pistols, I think we’re being conned.
On June 5, 2019 at 12:49 am, Miles said:
Well, I’ll admit I may be all wet.
I have seen a tweet of Carl Bussjaeger where he asked a reporter – Peter Coutu – to confirm a story that was posted on the Virginia Pilot.
The reported had sought out a statement from the VBPD.
I quote:
“Linda Kuehn, a Virginia Beach police spokeswoman, said Monday the gunman’s silencer was purchased legally.”
I can’t calculate whether this will cause more harm to us, or if it can be turned around to point out that all the NFA transfer regs are useless bureaucrapacy
On June 8, 2019 at 1:44 pm, Bill Harrison said:
From private interviews with people who were there,who have been warned not to say these things publicly.The building the shooter in Virginia Beach targeted had card locks on the door,like hotels do now.The Police talked about how soon they arrived,which is true,but the card locks kept them out of the building for 30 minutes after arrival.The Fire department arrived and also had trouble getting through the doors,too.Great to know if a fire ever happens in those buildings.They were calling around trying to find a sledge hammer to get in.The shooter had all the time he needed.Contrary to media reports,he was a constant discipline problem,and picked fights with fellow workers.When someone stood up to this,he cracked.So now the blackface abortionist/infanticide promoting Governor Northam is using the dead bodies to resurrect his dead career.The Lt. Governor,who has a couple of women claiming he raped them,doesn’t want any future victims armed,so he’s promoting Northam’s gun control agenda.So is the Soros employee attorney general of Virginia.None of Northam’s idiotic proposals would have stopped this shooter.He bought the guns legally,and his main advantage was that he knew that first officers on the scene would have difficulty coming after him until he completed his murder spree,due to the automated security doors and the (of course) gun free zone public building.Now the regular employees will have to go through metal detectors to get to their workplaces.That wouldn’t have stopped a determined shooter like this guy either.He shot people in the parking lot on the way in,as he would have shot the security guard running a metal detector.By the way,an employee who had a gun in his car in the parking lot would have faced disciplinary action.Gun free zone,you understand.Clearly,the anti-self defense,anti-gun crowd got these people killed,and now they want more of the same.