What To Expect On Gun Control In The Coming Months
BY Herschel Smith
11 years, 10 months ago
We’ve discussed it many times, this proposed extended and expanded assault weapons ban proposed by Senator Dianne Feinstein. The new legislation may fail, but the White House has it’s own front in this war on firearms. But their own propaganda betrays a serious weakness in their approach.
The White House is also developing strategies to navigate the rocky and emotionally fraught terrain of gun politics once final policy decisions are made. The administration is quietly talking with a diverse array of interest groups, including religious leaders, mental-health professionals and hunters, to build as broad a coalition as possible, those involved in the discussions said.
The president is expected to face fierce opposition from the NRA and its allies in Congress, including most Republicans and some Democrats.
But Biden signaled to those involved in the policy discussions that the White House is not afraid of taking on the NRA, the nation’s largest gun rights group. At the Dec. 20 meeting, according to Stanek, when one law enforcement leader suggested focusing on only the most popular proposals, Biden responded: “Look, what I’m asking you for is your candid opinion and ideas about extreme gun violence. Leave the politics to the president. That’s our job with Congress.”
They want to turn hunters against the NRA and modern sporting rifles. Fat chance. That didn’t work out so well for David Petzal or Jerry Tsai. Their plans to divide and conquer the NRA will meet with disastrous results. Every minute spent on such a tactic is wasted, and thus we have to hope that they expend a lot of energy on it.
But the later part of the strategy, i.e., politics, is far more fearsome and they have proven very adept at that approach. Gun Owners of American (h/t Mike Vanderboegh) gives us an inside baseball look at the current tactics. In summary, John McCain is working against gun owners by pressing (along with the Democrats) for a rule change that would essentially be a work-around of the filibuster rule. Lindsey Graham has vowed to vote against new gun control measures, but since he is McCain’s lap dog, he may be looking for cover as he works silently behind the scenes to assist in Feinstein’s plans. Joe Manchin has backed off of his public calls for new gun control measures, but he may be playing the same game as McCain and Graham.
Currently in the Senate, Rand Paul is the only immovable champion of second amendment rights. If new laws pass the Senate, they must also pass the House before going to the President’s desk. It isn’t clear what the House will do. If history is any indication, they are in a weakened state, and lack any backbone anyway.
However, the Republicans stand warned. If – controlling the House of Representatives – they allow new gun control measures to pass to the President’s desk, the GOP will cease to exists as a viable political party. Voters are having difficulty finding differences between them and the Democrats anyway. Caving on gun control would seal the fate of the GOP as a historical relic rather than a future possibility.
If new gun control measures don’t pass the Senate and House, the game is far from over. The Obama administration is investigating the possibility of executive orders reclassifying semi-automatic firearms as title 2 weapons, thus doing by fiat what the legislative branch rejected. The fight will continue, just in a different locale than the Senate and House.
Finally, if new gun control measures pass to the President’s desk (in which case he will surely sign the measures into law), it means more than just new background checks. All semi-automatic firearms will be taxed, required to be submitted to the ATF for approval, controlled from crossing state lines, and prohibited from being bequeathed to your children or grandchildren in your wills. Violation of any of these rules will turn you into an instant felon. Of course, this would mean a resistance for which America isn’t prepared.
Karl Denninger writes:
It is time for We The People to take a stand, as did John Hancock, Richard Stockton, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Penn, Arthur Middleton and others.
Your right to life is not bestowed by government. Your right to liberty is not bestowed by government. Government never possessed those rights and you cannot bestow what you do not first lawfully possess.
You right to life and liberty were bestowed by your creator. Those rights inure to each and every one of us by virtue of being human. And here’s the point which many of you wish not to discuss:
A right without the ability and willingness to defend it is no right at all.”
Bob Owens writes:
“The Second Amendment of the United States was never written to protect hunting or target shooting. It was written by men who had just fought a successful armed revolution against the most advanced military of their day, and who wanted to ensure that future generations would be armed with weapons of contemporary military utility in order to stand against the day that once more, tyrants would attempt to consolidate power and lord over the people as their betters.
“Any attempt to take the contemporary arms of military utility our Founders wanted us to have, which includes the standard magazines and clips used in these firearms, is an act of tyranny that the Founders would recognize as an event justifying the use of force to retain our freedoms.”
“Tread carefully.”
Brandon Smith writes:
“There is no ambiguous or muddled separation between the citizenry and the government anymore. The separation is absolute. It is undeniable. It is vast. It is only a matter of time and momentum, and eventually there will be unbridled oppression, dissent, and conflict. All that is required is a trigger, and I believe that trigger has arrived…”
Mike Hendrix writes:
“This is a society preparing for war,” writes Bob Owens.
“Reluctantly, almost unwillingly, it should be noted. But the sad truth is, war is already being made upon it, and has been for a long time now. Said society has been more than patient, more than tolerant. But eventually, enough is enough. Everyone has their limit; freedom-loving Americans’ has very nearly been reached. A few more steps over the line, and the kettle is going to boil over.”
“Any liberal-fascists who think we’re all going to go gently into that good night really, really need to reconsider. We all have to hope they do. But we all have to be prepared for the possibility, the likelihood, that they mightn’t. “This far, no further” is more than just an empty slogan.”
“Gird your loins.”
Alan Halbert writes:
“We are in far more danger from these actions of our own government than from another Sandy Hook atrocity by a crazed killer.”
“The Second Amendment’s purpose is to provide for the citizens’ defense from all who would deny their natural God- given right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” against a criminal, a foreign or domestic enemy, or our own government. We will witness the end of the Republic if this proposed legislation is passed, since all of our rights flow from the citizen’s ability to defend them.”
“As for this citizen, I will never disarm or surrender my Second Amendment rights, much less willingly comply with such a traitorous act of Congress if enacted… it is actions like these that light revolutionary fervor in a nation and its citizens. It did so in 1776 and it will do so again.”
John Jay writes:
“…when it is done, and the regime defeated, no one will talk about what he did in the war. It shall have been terrible, and brutal. Executions, murders, assassinations and the inevitable collateral damage shall be the issue of the day. This is the price that those who attempt to impose a totalitarian regime in the America’s shall face. Many of us will die, and some shall become iconic photos hanging from lamp posts, stripped naked and hoisted by their ankles, as final witness and testimony to their arrogance.”
“Those who seek to take our weapons trifle with history, heritage and firmly held belief. It should be remembered, those of us who believe this way are god fearing, and shall invoke and beseech our God for support. We have a religious underpinning and faith that shall carry us through this, as opposed to those who seek to suppress us. They have nothing but naked ambition to sustain them.”
“Do Obama, Pelosi, and Feinstein have the stomach for this sort of conflict? Are they willing to initiate, in order to try and gain the rule they aspire to? We shall find out.”
Western Rifle Shooter’s Association writes:
“Understand that once the ball opens, there will be no stopping the righteous fury of viciously-indignant Americans, especially once the 2013 versions of Waco and Ruby Ridge are re-enacted by Regime loyalists across the nation.”
“No one associated with the Federal government or its mutant-twin ruling parties will be safe.”
“Especially once the guys with the scoped hunting rifles come in.”
Mike Vanderboegh writes that there would be a revolution if the government confiscates weapons, and Herschel Smith warns that there will be resistance and writes that the resistance won’t be “the peaceful kind.” If it goes to the point of forcible implementation of the proposed legislation, it will be awful, bloody, violent and extreme. Right now we don’t know for certain what will happen in Washington. But depending upon that outcome, what will happen all across America has been written. 1.6 billion rounds of handgun ammunition won’t be nearly enough for the government.
You’ve been warned.
UPDATE: “Class II” has been changed to “Title II.” I appreciate Glenn’s attention to this article. Also, David Codrea gives a link.
UPDATE #2: Thanks to John Richardson for the attention.
UPDATE #3: Thanks to Mike Vanderboegh for the attention.
On January 7, 2013 at 8:08 am, nadadhimmi said:
Yes, the Republican Party is finished if they agree to steal guns for Obama. This will lead to massive resistance and the complete loss of any remaining respect for Federal Govt institutions. Just as in Prohibition, there will be a huge shift in the way people view laws and choose to actively disobey them. This will set in motion a groundswell of people saying; “you don’t own me and you can’t control me”. At least without mass, Government sponsored murder of it’s own Citizens. Assad in Syria is doing just that right now. He, like Qadafy, Sadam Hussein,and many others did, will end up face down in the dirt, trampled by the people he tried to control without their consent. It’s one thing to magically pass a tyrannical gun confiscation “law”, it’s quite another when armed men look you right in the face with contempt and say; Molon Labe.
On January 7, 2013 at 8:38 am, George B said:
Don’t give the federal government an excuse to use force. Instead, peaceful non-compliance with any gun registration law needs to be universal. In addition, state and local elected government officials need to know that they will be voted out of office if they even think about trying to take any step to enforce gun registration. I’m reasonably certain that my governor, Rick Perry, would not help the feds violate the 2nd amendment, but others may need to hear from us on this issue.
Since the last election I’ve been paying cash at independent small businesses. Saves them from paying Visa/Mastercard fees and maybe they make a mistake and fail to report that income or something. The federal government is stocked up with ammunition to deal with armed rebellion, but they can’t handle “Irish Democracy” where many millions of ordinary people simply drag their feet on compliance.
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2012/12/what-is-going-galt-what-is-irish-democracy
On January 7, 2013 at 8:58 am, countertop said:
I know we conservatives are supposed to hate executive orders (except, of course, when we dont) but without further explanation of how he actually goes about reclassifying guns by executive order (as opposed to the more appropriate rule making process) the mention if it really makes me wonder about the rest of this post.
On January 7, 2013 at 9:20 am, Harold said:
Countertop: Well, that’s currently in the rumor stage; sounds unlikely and would we assume violate the letter of the law, and worse, would be a very thin reed upon which to base severe gun control.
Note that while Mr. Smith’s heart is in the right place, this is not his major focus, witness this howler:
Currently in the Senate, Rand Paul is the only immovable champion of second amendment rights.
I don’t think Paul has been tested yet, although we’re all assuming he’ll be good on this issue. Tom Coburn is the only Senator I count as an “immovable champion of second amendment rights” and besides a lot of specific RKBA actions, one of the things that supports this is his general interest in these issues, like the investigation(s) of M4 efficacy in combat.
On January 7, 2013 at 9:55 am, Herschel Smith said:
Harold, thanks for your mention of Coburn. Mr. countertop, I have some experience with this process of which you speak.
the more appropriate rule-making process – (noun): “when smart-ass lawyers from inside the beltway write regulations, backed up by law or not, publish them in the federal register, accept comments from well-meaning and law abiding citizens, ignore most of them, make a mockery of the best by publishing smart-ass responses to them in the federal register, and then publish the regulation anyway, then requiring enforcement by one of myriad federal agencies.”
On January 7, 2013 at 10:24 am, Ben said:
I don’t believe new gun control laws will call for confiscation of weapons. Democrats know how much blood would be shed if that were to happen. Instead, they will try to slowly prevent any more guns from going to market, prohibiting their transfer, and confiscating them from the estate once the owner dies. It will be slow, but within a generation or two, they will have most of the guns and the populace will be effectively disarmed. This approach is clear as day in the bill Feinstein proposed.
It is easy to say “Molon Labe” and “From my cold, dead hands,” but gun owners need to consider how they will respond if efforts at control are not as blatant, and more insidious.
On January 7, 2013 at 11:32 am, tdiinva said:
I as I have argued elsewhere the definition of Class 2 weapons is in the NFA language. The President lacks the legislative authority to arbitraily reclassify weapons that fire one round per trigger pull as a machine gun. If he had that authority he would have exercised by now.
On January 7, 2013 at 11:48 am, Herschel Smith said:
The President also lacks the authority to circumvent the Fifth Amendment and have U.S. citizens executed by drone strikes.
On January 7, 2013 at 11:51 am, Herschel Smith said:
And yes, Ben, I think yours is the more dangerous scenario. It would be the equivalent of disarmament over a generation, similar to what neo-con Krauthammer advocates.
On January 7, 2013 at 1:12 pm, amr said:
Ben: “I don’t believe new gun control laws will call for confiscation of weapons”. No it won’t NOW.
Senator Feinstein denies that this bill, with its registration requirement for the vast majority of firearms, is a step towards confiscation, I doubt that she forgets the passage of the California Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 in her home state and what happened afterwards. That Act required the registration of so-called “assault weapons”. Attorney General Dan Lungren reversed the official position and in 1997 to declared one of the rifles considered legal and subject to registration just a few years earlier, the SKS Sporter with detachable magazine, to be illegal. Owners who had complied with the law were forced to surrender their weapons or transfer them out of state.
Worse yet, despite assurances by the NYC government that registration records would not EVER be used for anything more than tracking lost and stolen weapons, the registration system for long guns such as rifles and shotguns established in 1967 was used in the 1990’s to confiscate previously lawful semi-automatic rifles. Also, registration easily allowed the confiscation of firearms in GB and Australia.
I doubt that the modern American resort to arms to protect basic constitutional rights would have been possible in McMinn County, TN with this proposed law. Only the corrupt and powerful would have had weapons and the Battle of Athens or sometimes called the McMinn County War on August 1, 1946 would not have occurred. Even Eleanor Roosevelt supported the necessity of that effort.
The Revolutionary War began when British subjects, soon to be called Americans, repelled the British Army’s attempt to confiscate arms. This is a streak of defiance that has permeated American culture throughout its history. So why should any American citizen believe that if Senator Feinstein and other elected officials are willing to violate a basic American right to bear arms, that existed even before we were a nation, that we should trust said officials to safeguard any of our constitutional rights.
On January 7, 2013 at 1:16 pm, gman said:
look, here is what will happen. one day you will suddenly find that your bank account has been locked, that none of your debit cards operate, and that none of your credit cards function. you can’t pay your mortgage, you can’t buy gas, you can’t buy food, you can’t pay your water or electric bills. then you will get a form letter in the mail, saying “our records indicate you are in possession of certain illegal firearms. your finances have been locked until this situation is resolved. please turn them in to your nearest sheriff/fire/county office. your finances may be restored after your case is reviewed and a determination made. have a nice day.”
what will you do?
On January 7, 2013 at 2:05 pm, Herschel Smith said:
gman,
Yes, I think everyone needs to consider just what they will do. In addition to all of the above, they will lock your professional licenses (accounting, engineering, M.D.s, etc.).
But I don’t think that anyone I’ve quoted believes that implementation of the resistance as I have described means that they can retain their lives as they currently know it.
On January 7, 2013 at 2:45 pm, Oldfart said:
It’s coming. Sooner or later, in one form or another, under any of a dozen different names – we’re going to have to shoot our way out of this mess. A quick look at history shows that tyranny is never repealed peacefully, only violently. Even the Jews of Biblical times had to kill their Philistine oppressors to gain freedom. What makes anyone think we are any different? Does America have some sort of fence around it that keeps Revolution and Civil War at bay? Not so far as I can see from our own short history and there’s no reason to believe they won’t come again. Be ready.
On January 7, 2013 at 2:53 pm, PersonFromPorlock said:
We need to amend any gun control legislation in the House with a ‘media control’ rider. It’s perfectly obvious (the accepted congressional standard for proof) that notoriety-seeking individuals are excited by the sort of publicity mass killers currently get, and go on to commit mass murders of their own. So there’s a compelling government need (the protection of the public) for laws making the media tone down their coverage of such outrages; and that’s enough to allow the Free Press Clause to be set aside, no constitutional right being absolute.
Add this and I’m sure Democrats and Republicans will be equally eager to see the law pass.
On January 7, 2013 at 2:58 pm, Gregory Markle said:
There are no “Class II” weapons, they are actually “Title II” weapons. It gets really confusing, there are classes of dealers, further modified by types, and further augmented by SOTs (Special Occupancy Tax designations.)
Firearms themselves fall into two general groups:
Title I: Covers all standard rifles, pistols, and shotguns…basically anything that isn’t defined as Title II and covered under the NFA is Title I.
Title II: All NFA defined firearms. Machine guns, short barreled weapons (rifle and shotgun), destructive devices, and AOWs (“any other weapon”, a catch-all and where things get REALLY confusing.)
When you refer to a “Class II”, in ATF-speak that would be a manufacturer of Title I firearms…with Class I being a dealer in Title I arms, a Class III being a dealer in Title II firearms. A Class II Type 7 SOT would be a manufacturer of Title I and Title II firearms other than DDs. Confused yet? I won’t even get into the fun import/export, destructive device, ammunition, and other manufacturing designations where it gets interesting!
On January 7, 2013 at 3:25 pm, Herschel Smith said:
Thanks for the clarification and correction, Gregory. Actually, I know this, I just goofed in the writeup. I mean to say that they will require registration of semi-autos the same way they do for SBRs and silencers, or in other words, Title II items.
On January 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm, dustydog said:
Notable that the Battle of Lexington and Concord, which started the American Revolutionary War, was an attempt by the government to seize lawfully owned guns and ammo.
On January 7, 2013 at 3:49 pm, Rob Crawford said:
Wanna deal with “extreme gun violence”? Crack down on the inner city gangs.
On January 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm, Chuck said:
@gman 2:47 pm:
You said:
“I’m not talking about anyone retaining their lives. I’m asking, in such a scenario, what would you do at all? so many “molon labe” comments assume that the ones ordering and performing the confiscation will be in range of “resistance”. but they won’t be in range. they will act from afar, by computer, seizing everything you own and forbidding everything you do, while being safely esconced behind a vast imprenetrable bureaucracy that will sit passively waiting for YOU to turn in your guns FOR them. what are you going to do? shoot a bureaucrat at her desk? shoot an ATM? rob a grocery store? that won’t solve your problem.”
At that point, you either give in or go to war. The kind of heavy handed gov tactics you describe would leave many with a “what do I have to lose?” attitude. And in that case, if the target you want isn’t accessible, the target you can find will have to do. “The Man” isn’t just in D.C.
The point is, we should do everything we can now, to make sure that never comes to pass. I’ve been burning up the ether with emails to my Congress critters and spreading the word via social media and making financial contributions to the more effective local and national gun rights organizations (sorry, NRA). Assuming we still have elections in 2014, I’ll be volunteering for the opponent to my current Congressman (unfortunately both Senators are safe in 2014) and I am getting involved in my State politics.
Don’t forget about your State politicians! Governor, State legislators, etc.
On January 7, 2013 at 4:55 pm, gman said:
“if the target you want isn’t accessible, the target you can find will have to do.”
this ROE seems less than definitive. and even less effective.
let me put this a different way, using the logic of those who support Molon Labe. those who would confiscate your weapons want you out of the way, nothing more and nothing less. by turning off your financials and leaving you unable to function in the modern world they achieve that aim. at that point, whether you turn in your weapons or not is completely irrelevant to them. you can shoot the bureaucrats or blow up the ATMs or rob grocery stores all you want for all they care, it will not touch them. in their eyes, and in modern world reality, you will be dead already and there will be nothing you can do about it. now of course if you prostrate yourself before them and offer up your weapons as penance these people will have an interest in retaining you as a productive member of their society – but only if and as and until you so prostrate yourself. but whether you do or don’t, you can’t touch them or their lives or their power.
“molon labe”? they won’t take your weapons. they will take you yourself. your weapons will fall to the ground unused.
On January 7, 2013 at 5:04 pm, Herschel Smith said:
Oh my. I think that there is an awful lot that such disenfranchised folk can do to affect the lives of the ones who made it that way. You’ve reached the point now where you’ve answered your own questions. The Sophist’s game is that it goes in a circle. So does your argument.
On January 7, 2013 at 9:07 pm, HempRopeAndStreetlight said:
Of course, while Gman’s sad fate may befall some of the Sheeple, there are many of us who have good stores of cash and food on hand. You can sit around, and do nothing, crying and moaning about being a serf, or you can be proactive.
Food is still cheap. Buy some. Save 20% of every paycheck. IN CASH. Buy your guns and ammunition NOW.
Gman thinks we will sit in our houses waiting for a swat team? Silly man. No sir, let me explain it to you. Those 2:30 am raids? They work both ways. The goons enforcing any unconstitutional edicts have to live, work, and send their kids to school with us.
And payback is a B*&^%. If they come for the guns ANYTHING and EVERYTHING important to the apparatchiks is on the table. PERIOD.
Very quickly, our government will end up with a situation like Mexico, where the locals are absolutely UNWILLING to enforce s*&^.
We are only “governable” while we choose to be.
On January 7, 2013 at 9:28 pm, T. L Neff said:
“The most powerful weapon on earth is the human soul on fire”.
On January 8, 2013 at 11:20 am, HorseTeethSam said:
Some have said it already. I doubt that this administration will wield the Great Hammer and begin outright confiscation of firearms. No, they will initiate a slow, unavoidable game of attrition – through taxation, regulation, registration, limitation – creating a virtual bottleneck in arms suppliers. Sure, we can keep our arms – for now. Think about it – if we were to suddenly eliminate all semi-auto firearms from our collective inventories, what would be left? Not a lot, believe me. That is the objective. The plan is to create a slow, steady bleed which, over time, will exsanguinate the gun owning public of their arms. What we’ll be left with is antiquated, ineffective technology that is scarcely suitable for target shooting. With the Feds closing that loop, the EPA eliminating lead and other workable metal bullet materials, PETA and animal rights groups eliminating hunting, the hope is that we will simply lose interest in guns and give up what is left, effectively disarming ourselves. We must not surrender, no matter the cost.
On January 8, 2013 at 11:23 am, sean said:
Feinstein will propose NFA registration/background checks for any mag fed firearms including pistols and turning in of firearms upon death of owner. She may even propose confiscation.
THAT’S JUST THE FIRST STEP.
This is a classic Overton Window effect that the left used with Obamacare (PPACA). Remember the threaten “Slaughter Rule”, anyone?
What WILL PASS will be: No more private sales without a background check, no high cap mag sales and no new sales of “assault weapons” (will likely only include long guns and pistols will be limited to 10 round or less mags). With this sort of law, no raids are conducted so no new Wacos or Ruby Ridge standoffs incite anyone to rise against the machine.
And THEN….we’ll declare it a “victory”; a compromise that is “reasonable” that we can all agree to and NOT revolt over.
Confiscation and a new law with no “grandfathering” clauses may be talked about, proposed in the form of a bill, etc…..but won’t be passed…yet. They know it won’t be passed legislatively.
They’ll wait for real confiscation until after the next shooting rampage…..saying, “The new law isn’t stringent enough…..we have to confiscate these high cap mags and weapons that accept them”. They are simply buying time and gaining strength while weakening our position.
We need to realize: NO COMPROMISE. NO NEW GUN LAWS. NOTHING else is acceptable.
On January 8, 2013 at 11:30 am, Herschel Smith said:
HorseTeethSam,
Great nom de guerre, by the way (or if it’s your real name, I congratulate your parents on the selection of a wonderful name). I would take it in a hearbeat.
The government may as well attempt to get us uninterested in spending time with our families or going to worship on Sunday. The Northeastern elites simply don’t understand American culture, backbone or guts because they have lived in a bubble and been trained by Fascists and Fabian Socialists in school their entire lives.
On January 8, 2013 at 11:53 am, sean said:
PersonFromPorloc….
What we DO NOT NEED is another right infringing law. Make a law that limits the freedom of the press and you could easily wind up banning this very author from expressing his opinion.
We need less laws in this country, not more.
Besides, let’s say we pass a right infringing law on the press about mass shooters, next thing you know, conspiracy theorists will work overtime claiming that we don’t know the shooter’s name b/c he was really a government agent.
You see, the willingness to lie for one’s cause isn’t just limited to the leftists…..sad to say. What we lack in this country is morals….and no, I’m not suggesting we legislate some….just stating a fact.
On January 8, 2013 at 1:35 pm, Davod said:
With 270,000,000 firearms in civilian hands, its time for a march on your state legislature, Congress and the White House. There should be no lack of participants.
On January 8, 2013 at 1:48 pm, Paraclete said:
The cretens which are at work with-in Our Republic can pass all the “Illegal” laws they want…..
They will eventually be arrested, held for trial, and punished !
The only thing that matters is what OUR Constitution says,
as our Founders wrote it.
“Anything” that violates Our Founding Principles, will be considered “Treason”, and an “ACT” of war upon the American Republic…..
Regardless who they think they are !
Those who attack the citizens of this Republic will be put down “HARD”,
with extreme prejudice !
Regardless of where their country of origin is !
We consider “Illegal Laws”, ( all attempts to deprive Americans of “ANY” of their rights), to be ABSOLUTE TREASON !
They will be dealt with accordingly !
This is NOT a threat….This IS a PROMISE !
On January 8, 2013 at 3:36 pm, Wendy Weinbaum said:
As a Jewess in the US, I can only say that ANY plan from an ignoramus like Slow Joe Biden is bound to be a loser idea. Certainly it will make all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST! Both criminals and overbearing governments respect FIREPOWER, not sweet talk. And remember that America wasn’t won with a registered gun! -Wendy Weinbaum
On January 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm, FrankInFL said:
I wrote “Tipping Point” (http://tinyurl.com/TipgPt) as fiction, but I’m perfectly okay with idiots turning it into a documentary.
On January 8, 2013 at 9:14 pm, PJ said:
If there is to be a confiscation law, the very best way to get it is via executive order. It makes government look all the more illegitimate, and increases rebel recruitment tremendously.
On January 9, 2013 at 3:22 am, The Old Coach said:
Frightening to think about, but: Maybe they won’t actually come to get your gun at all. If they know who you are, (i.e. registration of ANY kind – CCW included) they simply use the IRS. Freeze your bank accounts, garnishee your paycheck, deevee your credit cards, cancel your (mandated by law) Government controlled medical insurance, etc., etc., etc. Until you turn it (them) in, you are an “unperson”. Start thinking about workarounds for THAT scenario, folks. The illegal alien underground already has.
On January 9, 2013 at 2:31 pm, Steadysteve said:
As far as the comments about freezing bank accounts, etc.
If bank managers, locally based federal workers and law enforcement and their families start dying, none of the lower echelons will obey orders from above any more. That will stop quick. If no one will follow edicts form D.C. their power is effectively cut off. Hopefully there are enough patriots in the military to effect a coup and arrest all the traitors before we get to that point. McChrystal is not one, he is backing the gun grabbers hoping to suck his way back to favor.
On January 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm, gman3 said:
“If bank managers, locally based federal workers and law enforcement and their families start dying, none of the lower echelons will obey orders from above any more.”
local bank managers don’t have control over your accounts, any more than a gas station attendant sets gasoline prices. your financials ultimately are controlled out of multiple hardened redundant data servers that answer only to a handful of authorized operators. if they say you get nothing then you get nothing, period. if you find and kill the operators you still get nothing, period. if you find and blow up the servers you still get nothing, period.
On January 10, 2013 at 1:24 pm, Henry Bowman said:
I tend to disagree with the notion that the bureacrats can just sit in their ivory towers and turn off our lives with the flip of a switch. Oh at first it’ll be difficult to find those responsible but in time the fight will be brought to their doorstep (take a look a syria). Yes they will think they can hide behind some structure but that will be destroyed, they will be dragged into a citizens court, and they will be shot for treason. The country will suffer greatly but I believe those on the side of Liberty will always triumph over the evil tyrants.
On January 10, 2013 at 3:29 pm, gman3 said:
“I believe those on the side of Liberty will always triumph over the evil tyrants.”
if they nullify your bank account, can you get water and food and gasoline? I’m sure you believe in “liberty”, but are you anything more than a domestic pet on their property?
On January 11, 2013 at 12:30 am, Herschel Smith said:
Here is the deal. I don’t mind folks disagreeing with me or any other commenter. I do mind someone saying the same thing, over … and over … and over … and over … again. gman, you’re wearing out your welcome. If you comment again, saying something different about a different article, but change your point to something new.