Update On Shooting Thirteen Year Old Boy With Toy Gun
BY Herschel Smith
11 years ago
We covered it here. You know the drill. Sonoma deputies shot and killed a boy holding a toy gun. First, let’s cover some details about the man.
The Sonoma County sheriff’s deputy who killed a 13-year-old boy after mistaking his toy AK-47 for a real rifle was identified Monday as a firearms instructor, hunter and war veteran who in the past has warned other officers that they may need to use lethal force to survive an encounter.
Deputy Erick Gelhaus, 48, had broad experience with guns – even relative to others in his profession – before he fatally shot Andy Lopez Cruz last Tuesday just outside Santa Rosa, an incident that has prompted community outrage.
Gelhaus is a frequent contributor to law enforcement magazines and online forums in which he promotes officer safety. He served as an infantry squad leader in Iraq, according to his online profiles, and he describes himself as an avid hunter in North America as well as Africa.
He once accidentally shot himself in the leg in 1995 while on duty with the Sheriff’s Office – reportedly while holstering a gun. However, officials said he has not fired upon a suspect in 24 years with the agency, where he serves as a field training officer for new recruits and trains colleagues to shoot at the department’s gun range.
This is just too good. He is an expert on firearms – and he shot himself in the leg. So let’s cover some details on the shooting itself. Here is the one you really need to know.
Ethan Oliver, who lives across the street from where the shooting occurred, said he heard two gunshots, and while Lopez was on the ground the deputies “went at it again and unloaded like six to seven shots,” KTVU.com reported.
Like I said in the initial article. The blue wall will close in and you will never hear the story. Watch it happen, I said. It’s happening. The cop who did it is an “expert,” even though he shot himself. The cops who fired were under threat, or had to assume so. But they continued to shoot after the boy had gone down.
You’ll never hear the truth from the LEOs. But you’ll hear enough of it to assist you in developing an understanding of how LEOs see the world today. Be very careful and circumspect. Watch your six. The LEOs think they are in Iraq (and most of them only know what they saw on television). The LEOs think we are Sunni or Shi’ite insurgents. The LEOs think they are in the infantry. The LEOs will kill you. And the blue wall will close in to protect them.
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On October 30, 2013 at 7:45 am, Mark Matis said:
So have YOU identified where the LEOs live in your neighborhood? And have you made plans to deal with them appropriately? Or are you STILL telling everyone “My LEOs are good cops”?
Officer Jason Ellis is now indeed a good cop.
On October 30, 2013 at 7:59 am, Paul B said:
I know where the LEO’s in my area live.
It is looking like we will be at war soon. It is the only way the one can retain power. He does not care what is going on in the world because he must deal with us first so he then has the freedom to dictate to the rest of the world.
On October 30, 2013 at 12:14 pm, Federale said:
LOL, so you believe that both deputies after shooting this gangbanger walked up to him and shot him a few more times while he was on the ground. That will be very easy for the coroner to prove. However that will never come forward because it never happened. This socalled witness is lying. Just as a witness in the Trayvon Martin case claimed that Zimmerman shot Martin in the back three times.
On October 30, 2013 at 1:03 pm, Herschel Smith said:
Good. Good. So you the LEOs are George Zimmerman and the Hispanic guy is Travone Martin.
One problem. The Hispanic dude didn’t have a gun, and with Martin and Zimmerman, they were in a fight to the death over the gun. Opps. I guess your simile breaks down since the boy had, um, you know, ahem, a toy.
On October 30, 2013 at 8:13 pm, joe bailey said:
his partner didn’t shoot, makes you wonder if there was a threat at all?
On October 31, 2013 at 9:14 am, Mannie said:
This should be independently discoverable, from the wound tracks. I doubt it will be, though.
On October 31, 2013 at 9:16 am, Mannie said:
The Infantry has tighter ROE. We’re trying to “win their hearts and minds” over there. The cops have no such interest.
On October 31, 2013 at 12:28 pm, Mark Matis said:
Hopefully your Constitutional neighbors know where you live, Federale.
On October 31, 2013 at 8:01 pm, Federale said:
Commie rag in San Francisco reports witnesses heard the deputies warn the gangbanger twice.
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Attorney-Cop-absolutely-thought-boy-had-AK-47-4940817.php
Booyahh!
On October 31, 2013 at 8:08 pm, Herschel Smith said:
That’s nice. Tennessee versus Garner. If you ever lower your weapon at me I must assume that you are a criminal posing as a LEO (as many of them do) and I’ll shoot out of a perceived need for self defense.
On October 31, 2013 at 8:34 pm, Herschel Smith said:
BECAUSE … Federale … I want to go home at the end of the night, just like you want to go home at the end of your shift.
There. See how easy that was?
On November 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm, Federale said:
And your point being?
On November 9, 2013 at 9:55 pm, Josh said:
I think his point is if you were to ever draw down on him he would shoot you in the face…
On November 11, 2013 at 12:04 am, Herschel Smith said:
It is impossible that what I said is unclear.