Eugene Volokh On Open Carry
BY Herschel Smith9 years, 10 months ago
So the Florida Court of Appeal held Wednesday in Norman v. State. It concluded that the Second Amendment applies to carrying for self-defense outside the home.
“A blanket prohibition on carrying [a] gun in public prevents a person from defending himself anywhere except inside his home,” and as such constitutes a “substantial … curtailment of the right of armed self-defense.”
… the Legislature’s discretion in this area is not limitless. For example, the [Second Circuit] in Kachalsky upheld New York’s prohibitive licensing scheme using an intermediate scrutiny analysis that gave too much deference to the legislature, without considering the fact that the licensing scheme in question rendered the right to bear arms outside the home virtually non-existent…. A right is essentially “destroyed [if the] exercise of [that] right is limited to a few people, in a few places, at a few times.”
The Legislature “has a right to prescribe a particular manner of carry, provided that it does not ‘cut[] off the exercise of the right of the citizen altogether to bear arms, or, under the color of prescribing the mode, render[] the right itself useless.’” The Legislature is permitted to regulate the manner in which arms are borne for the purpose of maintaining public peace and safety, so long as any such regulation leaves available a viable carry mode.
I think the court was quite right to recognize a right to carry guns in public for self-defense (for more on this, see here). I also think the court was right to allow the state to limit such carrying to concealed carrying, precisely because such carrying doesn’t substantially interfere with the ability to defend oneself. (That’s especially so because, if a situation arises in which a person reasonably perceives an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury, the person would be free then to display the gun in self-defense, as well as use it, if necessary.)
So let’s play a thought experiment. Suppose rather than the rights of an “ordinary” citizen being addressed here it was the rights of law enforcement officers who may need to defend their lives. Would Eugene have made the same argument? Would law enforcement have stood for being told they must carry concealed? Would any court in the land have dared to force LEOs to carry concealed? Do you think law enforcement would make the argument that drawing from a concealed carry position (IWB covered by clothing or perhaps ankle carry rig) might endanger their lives more than if they have the weapon ready from open carry due to response time?
Remember under Tennessee versus Garner LEOs can use their weapons for the very same reason we can use ours, i.e., for self defense or the defense of the life of someone else (or to prevent assault or bodily injury), and for no other reason(s). So then how are we any different than LEOs, and why should such requirements be placed on us if they are not placed on LEOs? How is it the right decision by the court to uphold a law that treats us differently?
Surely Eugene knows as much about Tennessee versus Garner (and its follow-on cases) as we do. Does Eugene have an answer for why it’s okay for the court to treat us differently? Has Eugene thought through this clearly enough yet?
On February 19, 2015 at 1:13 am, Pat Hines said:
Your logic is flawless, Herschel.
On February 24, 2015 at 9:41 pm, Michael Ejercito said:
It is not the right decision. We should have the same rights as the Secret Service.
On February 24, 2015 at 10:43 pm, Herschel Smith said:
No one knows what you’re talking about, including you.