The Death Of Robert ‘LaVoy’ Finicum
BY Herschel Smith
8 years, 11 months ago
By now most readers know that Robert ‘LaVoy’ Finicum was killed by federal agents. Whatever misgivings I might have had about this particular hill to take (I would have greatly preferred that they protected the Hammonds from ever going to prison to begin with by surrounding their home), Mr. Finicum is now dead, and the ones who have been taken to prison face a world of trouble.
The *.gov types planned this as an ambush all along. The entire operation was based on deception. And now, courtesy of the speed of independent media, we have this eyewitness account of Mr. Finicum’s death.
I predict the *.gov will charge that she is lying, or say nothing at all. And take note that this ambush happened in the middle of nowhere rather than around other witnesses bespeaks the high probability of the nefariousness of their methods. If all we have is the word of the *.gov, I don’t believe them.
Let me say a few words to and about the people who did this. Yes, we know about Special Agent Greg Bretzing, and the names, addresses and contact information of every judge who has ever been involved in this, or ever will be involved in this, should be made known. But here I’m talking about the worker bees.
I don’t know whether this involves the federal protection police, SWAT teams from the BLM, FBI, or [fill in the letters], or a team on loan from JSOC and matrixed to *.gov for a few weeks. In my experience, many of these guys are former Army SpecOps (not many Marines do this), and they leave the armed forces willing and ready to do anything and everything to continue this lifestyle and line of work, and provide for their families. Other SpecOps guys leave the service understanding the corrupt nature of the system, and want nothing more to do with it.
I said it with regards to Benghazi too. We know the names of some of the operators from the battle. We still don’t know the name of that worm who ordered the stand-down, the CIA chief of station – you know, the one who went back to Langley and got a CIA medal for his wicked behavior. I had said long ago that we would know what assets were available to respond to Benghazi, and not only do we know, we know now that there were also assets that were on the way and turned back. This kind of decision gets made from the very top. Just like we found out about the military assets, we will one day know the CIA chief of station – his name, his address, and his contact information.
As for the trigger pullers in the death of Mr. Finicum, like all trigger pullers everywhere in this line of work, they make it possible for the corrupt to continue their corruption. The problem doesn’t just exist at the top. It exists at the bottom too, with corrupt men willing to do corrupt things in order to be a part of the system. Without the trigger pullers, the corruption couldn’t be enabled. The names, addresses and contact information of the trigger pullers will one day be made known. Mark … my … words. We will one day know who killed Mr. Finicum.
See also JWR, The 3,025 FPS Arrest Warrant.
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On January 28, 2016 at 2:50 am, elliot said:
“In my experience, many of these guys are former Army SpecOps (not many Marines do this)…”
I’m not sure where you got this idea from, but there are plenty of former Marines in all aspects of SWAT operations, from local, county, state, and federal agencies. I have actually met more former Marines and SEALS on federal SWAT teams (FBI, Secret Service CAT) than Army SOF. That is just my experience. There are all kinds of folks in SWAT, including guys with no prior .mil or SOF experience. I can’t say how HRT is staffed.
On January 28, 2016 at 2:57 am, TSA_TheSexualAssault said:
Lists. They inform the mind, especially when cross-referenced.
Computer databases make really-big lists useful.
On January 28, 2016 at 7:25 am, Coldwarvet said:
And, how long have “we known” the name of Vickie Weaver’s trigger puller? Sounds like empty bluster.
On January 28, 2016 at 11:14 am, Bob Simpson said:
Senseless government gun violence…
On January 28, 2016 at 12:05 pm, Paul X said:
I thought it was mostly an Oregon State Police operation, maybe guided by FBI. Governor Kate Brown was sounding pretty bloodthirsty.
On January 29, 2016 at 12:34 pm, Archer said:
Yep. I won’t go so far as to claim she gave orders, but she was pushing the Feds to end the occupation as quickly as possible.
No mention of no-loss-of-life.
No mention of peaceful endings.
Only a passing reference to ending it “safely”.
Really, really pushing for ending it “quickly”.
I covered it in more detail here, including a letter she wrote to the U.S. A.G. and FBI director.
On January 28, 2016 at 12:13 pm, Ned Weatherby said:
Following the WRSA Link Dumps for Malheur shows a disturbing trend. Most of the links to MSM sites that allow comments show big majority of proggie and “conservative” comment posters referring to the occupiers as criminals and terrorists, and wishing for their death by being shot or burned to death. Someone will complain about the cost that taxpayers are footing, then suggest that government agents burn the place and shoot the ones who try to leave.
The also refer to the occupiers as commies, anarchists, etc. Whatever happened, the hearts and minds even of the locals appear to not have been won over. Because the public opinion of many who have posted regarding this matter tends towards violence against the occupiers as acceptable, and even necessary, it appears that the change in behavior and opinions of the American public since the Waco massacre has turned the corner that government LEO’s have been waiting for.
I fear more killings, and the sheeple cheering the killers on.
On January 28, 2016 at 1:32 pm, Herschel Smith said:
Yea, it all makes sense when you consider the fact that the vast majority (I’ve read 80%) of the folks in that area work for the BLM, it isn’t so surprising. This is a problem, huh? The fact that the *.gov is the largest employer on earth makes for a large advocacy when it comes to cutting back on the *.gov.
So what does this all have to do with Putin, The Clinton Foundation and a yet-to-be-built Uranium mine? I’ll have more later on that. Lots and lots of money is at stake.
On January 28, 2016 at 11:09 pm, Haywood Jablome said:
Always, always, always follow the money.
On January 30, 2016 at 12:14 pm, Ned Weatherby said:
Good to get a sense of whom one is dealing with. Interestingly, one person who took a stab at me and hurled ad homenem assaults at the supporters of this travesty has literally thousands of posts, and yet has only been active on Disqus since 2014.
Here’s a post regarding the matter at hand: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/what-is-the-oregon-standoff-really-about/
My dad always wondered what would happen when the parasite got bigger than the host. We are now watching that happen in real time, and it’s not pretty. I look forward to your followup posts.
On January 29, 2016 at 7:49 pm, Phil Ossiferz Stone said:
Yep. Large chunks of the blue-state electorate are stoned on the same delicious narcotic as the Germans were in the 1930’s. They are getting worse, not toning it down. They were toasting the FBI the day Finicum got shot. I am putting on some more BBQ, because that piece of white trash got SMOKED! Yes I AM happy that redneck terrorist is dead — deal with it! Pour me another martini! It numbed me. I thought I might damn near cry. I expected the ridicule and snarling. I didn’t expect the chortling, the psychopathic glee. It really shook me.
You think the New York Times and Hillary and the state legislatures in places like Oregon and Washington State don’t know their target audiences? You think they’re afraid of committing electoral suicide by bearing down remorselessly on the gun control issue? On the contrary. They know very well which side of their electoral and commercial bread has the butter on.
Part of me fears deeply for my country. Another part increasingly doesn’t give a damn. Any people willing to subsidize the hormone therapy for pre-pubescent children that have been surgically gelded by their parents, sanction cops who murder 13-year olds going over to their friend’s house to play Army Man as they did to Andy Lopez, grant drivers’ licenses and subsidized auto insurance and health care to millions of people in the country illegally, then turn around and snarl at their rural cousins as ‘welfare queens’ and ‘white trash’ and applaud as they get bulldozed off their land and cheer as they are shot, who introduce Jim Crow laws for any practicing Christian or gun owner and loudly insist that anyone who *opposes* them is a fascist…. deserves whatever it gets. Rural counties full of gun owners are not exactly prime targets for Islamic radicals, hood rats, drug cartels, or Iranian/Chinese/Pakistani nukes.
All the patriotism and civic-mindedness has been beaten out of me with a shovel. All I want to do is weather the storm.
On January 29, 2016 at 9:13 pm, Ned Weatherby said:
Dang Phil, really well stated. You have a knack for seeing through the BS, and also for elucidating it in writing. Thumbs way up.
On January 28, 2016 at 12:27 pm, Frank_in_Spokane said:
“they leave the armed forces willing and ready to do anything and
everything to continue this lifestyle and line of work, and provide for
their families.”
Reminds me of the moral of Matt Damon’s “Bourne” trilogy — at least, the moral I took away:
Never volunteer to be a remorseless, unquestioning killer for the State. (http://tinyurl.com/hzwe22x )
Sadly, military service seems to transmogrify many — who volunteered out of the noblest motives — into remorseless, unquestioning killers for the State.
On January 28, 2016 at 2:31 pm, Pat Hines said:
The problem the US government faces is the fact that they don’t have armed guards at most US government facilities, post offices, IRS offices, or other offices. They don’t have armed escorts for their employees as they walk to and from their cars in open parking lots. They don’t have armed guards stationed at each and every employee’s home, either.
There are lots of US government agents that operate far from offices, too. Park service, Fish & Game, and yes, even BLM agents all operate “out there” frequently alone, in pairs at the most.
Eventually I see that the .gov types will have to move to military bases and set up “green zones” in many states, the red states certainly, possible in certain areas of the blue states such as Upstate New York, western New Jersey, and Illinois 50 miles south of Chicago. Pennsylvania has tens of thousands of deer hunters that hit the woods every year.
The upshot of this is, the US government is vulnerable, much more so than a hand full of men that chose to occupy a wildlife center in Oregon.
Much more so.
On January 28, 2016 at 4:57 pm, Hoss Green said:
After listening to this recording I’m inclined to agree with Brother Mike Vanderboegh as Ryan Payne being a FBI provocateur. She states that Payne gets out of the car, and he doesn’t get shot, but Finicum gets out with his hands in the air, and they shoot him, then they riddle the car with bullets.
This Payne gets out, gets free of the vehicle then the so called law lights up the car? Does anyone else see the same thing I do?
On January 29, 2016 at 12:51 pm, Archer said:
Watching the video, I’m still not convinced that it a) is not doctored, or b) shows a “good shoot”. (Full disclosure: I’m not convinced of the inverses, either; if anything, I have more questions now than I did before the video was released.)
I’ve seen other video from another angle that shows LaVoy Finicum throwing “something” on the ground immediately after exiting the vehicle (the FBI video briefly and inexplicably pans down and Finicum is off-screen at that moment). The object was black and approximately handgun-sized. Walking away from the truck, he appears to stumble in the deep snow a few times, partially explaining him dropping his hands.
Also, there’s no audio, so we have no idea what kind(s) of verbal orders he was being given. Perhaps “Put your weapon on the ground!”, which would necessarily require him to reach for it to comply, or (if he threw it away earlier, as suggested above) to open his jacket to display an empty holster. I can certainly see how Ammon Bundy’s statement that Finicum was shot while surrendering could be completely honest from his point of view.
On January 29, 2016 at 3:11 pm, watchingthedefectives said:
Well,now we know why the FBI doesn’t have time to find middle easterners ‘lost’ in the country or even crossing the open borders.The hunting of citizens has less consequences for the pajama-wearing ninja wanna-bes.
On February 1, 2016 at 9:04 pm, Frank_in_Spokane said:
“they leave the armed forces willing and ready to do anything and everything to continue this lifestyle and line of work, and provide for their families.”
Reminds me of the moral of Matt Damon’s “Bourne” trilogy — at least, the moral I took away:
Never volunteer to be a remorseless, unquestioning killer for the State. (http://tinyurl.com/hzwe22x )
Sadly, military service seems to transmogrify many — who volunteered out of the noblest motives — into remorseless, unquestioning killers for the State.