The Controllers: “We Want Monitoring Of Ammunition Stockpiling”
BY Herschel Smith
7 years ago
Radio talk show host and TV commentator Hugh Hewitt is among a growing number of conservatives calling for monitoring the stockpiling of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices similar to how Sudafed is controlled.
Hewitt calls for photo IDs and records of purchases on firearm ammunition following the Oct. 1 shootings in Las Vegas that left 58 dead and 489 people wounded.
“If people buy a lot of ammunition in a short period of time, this should trigger a red flag with law enforcement,” said Hewitt on the NBC “Meet the Press” show on Oct. 8.
Monitoring ammunition stockpiling would be a way to let stockpilers know that law enforcement is keeping an eye on them. However, no guns or ammunition would be confiscated.
Officers who entered the room of the 32nd hotel floor used by the shooter were shocked to see the amount of weapons and ammunition the shooter had stockpiled. His victims were those who gathered nearby at the Harvest Country Music Festival.
Sudafed is regulated because pseudoephedrine, the active ingredient in some forms of medication, can be used to create the street drug methamphetamine, or crystal meth.
The federal act sets daily and monthly limits on how much of the active drug a person can buy.
When it comes to firearms and ammunition, there is no federal limit to how much a person like the Las Vegas shooter can buy, nor is there a national database of purchases.
A 1994 federal law, which expired a decade later in 2004, defined a large-capacity ammunition feeding device as a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip or similar device that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
“Gun control won’t work but ammo monitoring could,” says John Carnes, conservative author and firearms expert.
Twice you read it in the commentary above. “Conservative” host Hugh Hewitt. “Conservative author and firearms expert” John Carnes. Actually, he somewhat misrepresents the gist of John’s article, who says this.
People should oppose gun control restrictions and registration requirements, but we shouldn’t let these turn our eyes from the existential threat of ammunition control. If ammunition printing ever becomes as cheap and effective as printing firearms parts currently is, then we can all rest assured that the right to keep and bear arms will never again be as infringed as it is today. Until that day comes, ammunition controls may be the most effective form of gun control.
He didn’t misrepresent Hewitt, apparently. I never really thought Hugh Hewitt was a conservative. But it does go to show that even the supposed conservatives are giving you up (case in point, the NRA, whose willingness to compromise empowered the controllers, who saw nothing but weakness). They don’t care about your rights, whether firearms or the ammunition to use in them.
I know, I know. The Supreme Court may block such rules and regulations, but they may not. They didn’t block the assault weapons ban, and Heller was a weak enough decision that it may even be used to bolster the ammunition control case.
I think a lot of people sense that the one weakness our community has is ammunition. This isn’t any different than it’s always been. Consider this report, the only significant piece of information in an otherwise stupid article.
“Everybody I know is stockpiling ammo,” said Allen, who came from Sacramento, as he carried a plastic bag bulging with bullets and gun parts. He declined to give his last name.
Sure, fight this in the political arena, fight this in the courts, and fight it in the town square and court of public opinion. But never assume you’re going to win. If at first we lose, the winning will come later.
On October 18, 2017 at 6:14 am, Matt Bracken said:
Hewitt is the Left’s favorite CUCKservative. He’ll say anything to get his mug on the left-wing TV network talking-head shows. And now he’s given us all another reason to BLOAT: Buy Lots Of Ammo Today. I’ve been to weekend shooting courses and expended over a thousand rounds of ammo, so I assume I’m already on all kinds of lists based on my purchases. But so are millions of others. Molon Labe, statist cucks.
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On October 18, 2017 at 7:55 am, Frogdaddy said:
Everytime they try to imped or obstruct they may be doing us a favor. Drive ammo demand/price up, we turn to reloading. Unless they would track powder purchases, the individual components don’t throw up flags that I know of. Takes you off grid so to speak.
On October 18, 2017 at 8:05 am, Fred said:
““If people buy a lot of ammunition in a short period of time, this should trigger a red flag with law enforcement,” said Hewitt on the NBC “Meet the Press” show on Oct. 8.”
And then, where is a red flag triggered when law enforcement buys a ‘lot of ammunition in a short period of time’? Oh, I see. It’s not about ammo, it’s about control.
They keep using the failed drug war as their reasoning for how ammo prohibition could work. NOBODY who wants a mind or mood altering substance can’t get. In fact the use of Sudafed is a free market innovation caused by price increases due to prohibition on more desirable substances. Drugs are more readily available by both volume and variety after your 30 year failed war and they are stronger. Why did Sudafed become popular? Prohibition.
So I would ask the controllers; “If you want to drive market innovation, increasing the variety, amount, and lethality of ammo then go ahead and ban it, communist idiots.”
Baby Hughie might have suggested the urging of every gun owner to become an ammo entrepreneur and manufacturer, a proposal that I’m not against. Ha Ha Ha.
On October 18, 2017 at 8:44 am, Pat Hines said:
The notion of ammo control isn’t new.
Ted Kennedy made a strong run at it decades ago, attempting to claim ammo should be considered a disease vector and controlled through the healthcare system.
For a while, ammo purchases were logged at point of sale as a part of the Gun Control Act of 1968. It was abandoned because no positive result could be claimed by federal, state, and local law enforcement. Of course, it was set up to reduce ammo purchases, either.
I’ll submit the proper response as being that of David Codrea; “reference ammo control, the answer is no, your move.”
On October 18, 2017 at 11:34 am, Chas said:
Anytime someone says, “. . . this should trigger a red flag with law enforcement . . .”, you know that grandpa needs to get back on his rocking chair, because that kind of crazy blather is meaningless.
On October 18, 2017 at 11:42 am, Brett said:
I think that this is true. Gun control is the flag that is being waved, but ammunition control is the real ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’. Guns without ammunition are expensive paper weights.
On October 18, 2017 at 1:36 pm, Animal Mother said:
Of course those that don’t reload have been stockpiling for some time. Cash purchases are untraceable and add up quickly over time. I ditched my Cable/Satellite bill and sold my TV five years ago. $1200/annually buys a lot of ammo.
On October 18, 2017 at 1:45 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@Animal Mother,
Ha! Comment of the day right there.
On October 18, 2017 at 2:45 pm, Unclezip said:
Too late. I did all my stockpiling when the halfrican was selected.
On October 18, 2017 at 2:47 pm, Divemedic said:
Every cop rides around with a box or two of ammo and a few guns. If you need any, you know where and how to get them.
Thought 2:
I wonder if components would be regulated?
On October 18, 2017 at 2:51 pm, The Annoyed Man said:
What constitutes “buying large capacity feeding devices”, or “large amounts of ammo”? And who the hell gets to decide what that means. The STANDARD size magazine for an AR15 is 30 rounds. Sure you can get bigger ones than that, but sometimes reliability problems come with the bigger mags, and a 60 round magazine just isin’t as reliable as two 30 round mags. As to ammo, I usually buy it in 1,000 round lots. Why? Because I not only shoot a lot, but I introduce friends to shooting for their first time whenever possible, and that burns up ammo. 1,000 round lots is a cheap way to buy it. It’s not like I’m storing up for Civil War 2. I mean, people buy ramen noodles by the case too, and that shit will kill you. But Noooooo…….nobody ever says anything about buying ramen noodles by the case……..
On October 18, 2017 at 3:26 pm, Backwoods Engineer said:
They’ll take my Dillon XL650 from my cold dead hands.
And this cuck’s statist blather just prompts me to go buy more powder and primers. I already buy bullets by the bushel.
Maybe I should get me a lead furnace and some multi-cavity molds? I can go buy an old boat keel and melt it down…
On October 18, 2017 at 4:59 pm, StBernardnot said:
Maybe I’m just paranoid, bit everytime I get an ammo delivery there is always an extra guy on the brown truck.
On October 18, 2017 at 5:43 pm, Paul P said:
I like to buy ammo in bulk because , well , I shoot in bulk . When ammo was really cheap it was nothing to shoot 1500-2000 rounds a week . Now it is closer to 500-1000. I do have a “stockpile” that I replenish as I shoot . They would probably have a stroke if they knew what the round count is .
Now let me pose a question . If 12 billion rounds are sold per year and there are around 5000 “gun deaths” that were not accidental or suicide , how many rounds need to be shot before one kills another using a gun? Somewhere around 2.4 MILLION rounds per death . That would take firing 1 round per second for almost 28 days , round the clock . That is one hell of a stockpile !
On October 18, 2017 at 10:17 pm, lineman said:
All those of us that buy a lot of ammo should get together and buy it by the pallet loads which is around a 100k rounds depending on caliber…That way we cut out the middle man and get it way cheaper…What say Ye…
On October 18, 2017 at 11:02 pm, TheAlaskan said:
Well, as Mike V. liked to say…Defy! Resist! Evade! Smuggle! All of you above have been buying ammo, no? And if you have, then you already knew this day would arrive. Hewitt is an idiot. Stupidity is always astonishing no matter how many times you encounter it. Steady. Don’t become distracted from distraction by more distraction. You must know what is medicine and what is poison.
This is what the “Deep State knows;” The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing left to lose. We will be slaves to the state, till we aren’t. The rule of law, as instituted by the Deep State, applies only to those who are ruled. Don’t believe me? Check out NY and CT to see how compliance to Deep State indicts are working out for Deep State enforcers.
It takes courage to resist physical oppression…that’s what we’re really talking about here, right. The idea that some g-man gonna get ya, because you….DEFY! Well, maybe so, but it takes even greater courage to resist cultural oppression. The terms of physical resistance are easy to understand. Force is used against force. Cultural resistance is far more difficult, and by the time the necessity to resist it is apparent, it is often too late.
Poison. Deep State poison. Doers don’t talk and talkers don’t do.
On October 19, 2017 at 12:28 am, C said:
I will not elaborate, but, I just hope others came to the same conclusion I did, years ago.
And I Hope, They/You did something about it.
My Eggs are Spread out, I would not want to loose them all because of a Fox or a Rat.
On October 19, 2017 at 2:35 am, Pat Hines said:
Some components are already regulated. Barnes Bullets was ordered to cease production of their Spitzer point solids by the BATFE. BATFE considered these bullets to be armor piercing ammo. Yes, just the bullets were considered complete rounds of armor piercing.
In this photo, the bullet on the right is a Barnes 6.5mm, 105 grain solid.
https://media.fotki.com/2vV8R8JdxQKds.jpg
On October 19, 2017 at 2:50 am, Jiits like m holmes said:
Ok, aren’t the vast amount of “gun deaths” attributable to suicide? Doing the math, what are the average amount of rounds expended in a suicide? The argument must fall apart, because there is no direct correlation between large amounts of ammunition and large amounts of death. Hewitt has always been a bloated windbag, disagree with him and it’s like you’re a conservative on “The View” – instant malediction. He’s an entertainer, and worse, a practicing attorney – if it makes him a buck, he’ll say it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he avoided jury trials because he might be forced to take an uncompensated oath. If a dozen people are killed by a crate of bananas falling out of a cargo plane, he’ll be hanging onto the side of an ambulance and simultaneously blogging about the need for banana control. For him to make a statement all that is required is a nagging sense of a shift in the wind so that he can set himself clearly on a path to self-enrichment. He has few principles that can said to be absolute, aside from those principles directly affecting his ability to stay in the public eye.
On October 19, 2017 at 10:28 am, Geoff said:
I guess they have no idea how many rounds a competition shooter will go through in one month, not to mention an entire year,
Try 20,000 to 50,000 rounds a month.
On October 19, 2017 at 6:24 pm, Oryguncon said:
“Sudafed is regulated because pseudoephedrine, the active ingredient in some forms of medication, can be used to create the street drug methamphetamine, or crystal meth.
The federal act sets daily and monthly limits on how much of the active drug a person can buy.”
Of course, more drug war nonsense. Oh but the GOPe cucks in CONgress can go one better. Doctor approved ammo purchases! Obamacare rules are already in place I’m sure.
Oregon decided back in 2006 that they needed to make Sudafed prescription only, to save the kids growing up in meth labs and reduce hazardous clean up costs. How well has that gone? Meth no longer available? Nope, still for sale. More expensive? Nope, just trucked into those sanctuary cities that keep things weird. It sure is more expensive for citizens who want to buy some legally for a cold or allergies. If you’re near a state border it is cheaper to cross the border and buy from behind the pharmacy counter in a state following just the fed law.
See study here: http://cascadepolicy.org/pdf/pub/Oregon_Meth_Law.pdf
From earlier this year:
http://www.cascadepolicy.org/cascade-in-the-capitol/testimony-before-the-house-committee-on-health-care-in-support-of-hb-2128/
On October 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm, Oryguncon said:
To quote from my second link:
“While I don’t have access to the meth lab incident data from more current years, we do know that according to recent reports from the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, 99.8 percent of meth seized in the United States in 2015 was produced in Mexico.
Let’s be clear: Neither putting pseudoephedrine drugs behind the counter nor making them prescription-only did anything to reduce meth use and abuse.”
More scare mongering nonsense using policies that have not ever worked.
On October 21, 2017 at 5:37 pm, ExpatNJ said:
Reply to TheAlaskan October 18, 2017, 11:02 pm:
There will be NO shortages of ammo.
“If you send armed men to take our liberty, our property, and our lives, we’ll take THEIR guns from THEIR cold dead hands and turn them on YOU”
– Mike Vanderboegh [G*d rest his soul], swatmag.com, 06/2014.
(Mike meant to include “THEIR ammo”, also …).
On January 16, 2018 at 12:12 am, Georgiaboy61 said:
How revealing that fake conservative Hugh Hewitt seems uncomfortable for individual citizens to own stocks of ammunition, but says nothing at all about the federal government, which has been stockpiling ammunition at a furious rate virtually since Barack Obama came into office and for eight years afterward. The round count of small-arms ammunition now owned by the federal government is now counted in the billions. And that’s not even counting what the military consumes.
Isn’t it time the citizens of this country started asking some pointed questions about why such huge bulk ammunition purchases are necessary?