If You Live In Hawaii, Do You Own Guns And Ammunition?
BY Herschel Smith
6 years, 10 months ago
The Hawaiian state government’s emergency preparedness guidelines are equally deficient. Note the total lack of any discussion on having the means of defense, that is, on having adequate firearms, ammunition and training to deal with catastrophic disasters that will leave people on their own for untold lengths of time.
No, of course a gun won’t defend against North Korea launching a nuke, but there would be plenty of survivors of such an attack. They would have an almost unimaginably horrible aftermath to deal with …
The ridiculous episode is a function of human performance system failures, which is something I could help with (double verification, self-check, independent verification, training in the proper tools such as STAR [stop, think, act and review, QV&V which stands for quality verification and validation, etc.).
But regardless of the screw-up the fact of the matter is that dystopia is possibly closer than you think. You’d better have the means of self defense. I know there are a number of gun owners in Hawaii, and you can be sure they’d be carrying whether permitted or not.
On January 17, 2018 at 8:54 am, SGT.BAG said:
Hang loose bra…..You’d have a better chance of a ICBM strike than qualifying to own any gun there.
On January 17, 2018 at 10:29 am, Herschel Smith said:
It’s far easier to own them than carry them. They don’t issue permits to carry, but there are in fact gun owners and shooting ranges. There is one on Maui.
On January 17, 2018 at 11:47 am, Andrew said:
Hawaii is one of those places where Permits are “May Issue”.
And from the statistics, they’ve issued either 2 or 3, total, and at least one of those was to the “Police Department Armorer”.
Ohio has only been issuing “Permission Slips” for so long, but I might know of people who carried prior to them being available.
The common thought at the time was, a revolver.
But there weren’t cameras in everybody’s pockets then either, or at many traffic lights, and whatnot.
On January 17, 2018 at 4:31 pm, scott s. said:
You can only legally transport a firearm, unloaded of course, between your place of sojourn or abode and a set of authorized locations, such as firing range, hunting ground, or licensed dealer/gunsmith. You can only travel directly with no incidental stops allowed. We do have a public city-operated outdoor range on Oahu (Kokohead range) that is free to use. There used to be a couple of indoor ranges in Waikiki that catered to the Japanese market (most have never handled a pistol).
There does seem to be a general assumption that in the event of a nuclear detonation everyone would be dead, so no need to plan. If a nuke does hit downtown Honolulu, it would take out HPD and their firearm registration records, so there’s not all negatives.
On January 24, 2018 at 2:17 pm, George Pace said:
Hawaii county police chiefs have issued 4 CCW licenses in the past 18 years, since the state mandated record keeping of applications and issuances/denials in 2000. Maui PD claims the two issued in 2001 have no extant records. The two issued by Kauai PD in 2006 and 2013 were to a judge and (apparently) an active duty military member. And both of these were issued in violation of the actual laws governing issuance and renewal. So Andrew, I’d like to hear where you got the “armorer” info, as I’ve filed UIPA (Hawaii’s version of FOIA) and only got one page poor quality copies of the partial original applications of the two licenses issued by Kauai PD.
None of the police departments/chiefs will state what their specific objective criteria are for deeming someone worthy of being “allowed” to lawfully bear a firearm for self-defense outside their home, that is, as the law states, being “an exceptional case”. What we do know is that NO ONE IN THE ENTIRE STATE qualifies by whatever the criteria are, and only four people (apparently “connected”) in 18 years have been issued licenses.
Thus EVERYONE who wants to have the best tool available for self-defense outside the home must engage in criminal activity, i.e. bear arms.
By the way, in case people think Hawaii may have no or negative firearm rights in the state constitution (note the title):
Article I
RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
Section 17. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. [Ren Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]
Not one single legislator (Hawaii state Senate 100% Dems, House 90% Dems) will answer my queries as to how they are not breaking their oath of office to support and defend the constitutions of both the United States and Hawaii by allowing and not remedying the fact that not one single person in the state is allowed to lawfully bear arms.