The Danger Of Appendix Carry
BY Herschel Smith
6 years, 6 months ago
Via SOFREP.
The author suspect that a shirt got caught in the trigger well.
I’ve engaged in appendix carry before. I don’t like it, having nothing to do with the danger of discharge. I find it highly uncomfortable, and would rather [1] open carry, or [2] carry at 3:00, in that order.
On the other hand, regarding negligent discharge of the firearm (wherever it is being carried), I’ll say this. I don’t run plastic guns (except for an FN5.7, which I will only open carry).
I run 1911s, and I love that safety. With one motion as I achieve purchase on the grip I can swipe the safety off and be ready to go. Round chambered, hammer back, safety on.
The thing I give up is weight. Every choice is a compromise.
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On June 11, 2018 at 10:16 am, John said:
1911 FTW – three safeties (half-cock, grip and thumb), the most important of which is the thumb safety. Yeah, the 1911 weights more, but if that’s a concern, carry an officer’s model. Still holds 7+1, but weighs a little less.
I would personally never carry a pistol that doesn’t have a thumb safety.
On June 11, 2018 at 10:41 am, John said:
They also make polymer 1911’s now, ranging in price from $400-$800.
On June 11, 2018 at 10:44 am, Ned said:
I can’t stand appendix carry either. Uncomfortable as hell. I like a 1911 at around 4:30 concealed – 3:00 for open carry. Cocked & locked, with a thumb break.
On June 11, 2018 at 11:53 am, moe mensale said:
I don’t understand the logic of intentionally pointing a loaded firearm toward your genitals and/or femoral arteries. I can understand thugs doing so; they’re idiots. But grown, supposedly intelligent individuals? I’ll continue to open carry thank you. When I lived in FL and forced to conceal carry, it wasn’t pointed toward or near anything I would really miss. :)
On June 11, 2018 at 1:45 pm, DAN III said:
I for one believe AIWB is the fastest and most secure way to conceal carry a pistol or small frame revolver. It is as safe to carry AIWB as any other position when it comes to a negligent discharge.
So Moe, if thugs are “idiots” because you seem to believe they carry their weaponry in an appendix-type position, what does that make those of us who carry AIWB ? Are we “thugs” ? Or are we “idiots” ? Or are we just both ?
Simply because folks like Moe are not properly trained or practiced in the safe manipulation of a handgun, does not mean that AIWB is a technique to be discarded. Hell Moe and others….you can further protect yourselves from negligent discharge if you just carry “Israeli”. Then again, one’s emasculated self may find even more safety considerations if you carry a small frame revolver. Or better yet….do yourselves and the firearms toting folks a favor….just refrain from carrying a firearm at all. You seem to be more a danger to yourself than Jamal and his homies walking toward you on a deserted street at midnight in Chicago.
Just call me an AIWB “idiot”.
On June 11, 2018 at 1:46 pm, Bil Buppert said:
I can’t account for the reason for the ND or what pressed the trigger. When I don’t OC, I do carry AIWB occasionally.
Kydex holsters in the waistband prepositioned are very dangerous carry options for the reasons this gentleman apparently demonstrated.
I use a trigger cover attached to a lanyard which means I never have to point a pistol with an exposed trigger at any part of my body before the trigger is covered and then it is slipped into the waistband. The lanyard system is the ONLY IAWB system that permits this unless you limber your entire kydex holster from the waistband, insert the weapon and then position AIWB. It also helps because I am not a big guy but still slim-waisted in my 50s which makes this carry a comfortable option.
This is also why it is critical to have shirt tuck overbuild between you and the pistol for OC in OWB.
My additional safety factor for OWB is I employ RTI systems from G-Code that allow me to separate the holster body from the paddle on my hip w/ the weapon holstered safe. I was turned onto these systems in AFG where I could unlimber the holstered G19 from the side carry and put it on my armor on a dedicated RTI wheel on my chest never having to expose the trigger.
On June 11, 2018 at 7:20 pm, Gryphon said:
It may be entertaining to watch ND vids, but each one shows the Hazards of not being fully in Control of the Gun. Getting Caught in Clothing/Grabbing the Trigger while trying to get it Out are two reasons I won’t Ever CC. The other is, I Refuse to ‘Pay for a Permit’ to Defend Myself, when in Virginia I can carry the 1911A1 Openly. The Double-Safety of this Design makes it Far Safer than a Glock.
On June 11, 2018 at 8:11 pm, George said:
Personally, I never understood the concept of incorporating the “safety” on the trigger. To me, the purpose of a safety is to render the gun incapable of discharge until the safety is deactivated, and so logically should not be near, and especially not ON the trigger itself. To me, a tabbed trigger is just an accident waiting to happen…eventually. That the Army made Sig Sauer put an external safety on their new P320’s shows how much confidence they have in the tabbed trigger “safety” concept.
On June 11, 2018 at 9:18 pm, Tennessee Budd said:
I prefer about 4:00, if concealed, and I like my 1911 or my P229. Open, I run it between 3:00 & 4:00. Yes, with the 229 I tend to sweep my thumb down as if to disengage the safety which isn’t there; muscle memory.
I will give kudos for the reaction. The woman had gloves on & a bandage at hand fairly quickly.
On June 12, 2018 at 7:29 am, Fred said:
http://www.corneredcat.com/thumb-finger-anchor-h-o-l-s-t-e-r/
Although I move my finger first and thumb second because my finger tends to flex when moving the thumb. This about as good as any holstering method.
He either didn’t have the trigger covered by the holster or what? I don’t think it was his shirt. Maybe his under skippies?
On June 12, 2018 at 1:02 pm, moe mensale said:
@Dan,
I’m not going to call you anything. Nor engage you in any form of discussion because you aren’t worth the effort.
On June 13, 2018 at 11:18 am, Ed said:
What ever happen / how it happen is a debate that can go on and on…….
I would like to bring up the point that the Mrs had on gloves and had a IDF battle dressing out sooner than the injured could get his wound exposed.
The other older male had someone call 911 to get EMS rolling.
This family had there act together ND or not.
Get Trained. Then get some more training. Then go practice it.
Be safe out there.
On June 13, 2018 at 3:16 pm, Mudboy said:
Looks like an out of battery discharge. He did not even glance at the pistol after loading a round to ensure it was seated properly.
On June 15, 2018 at 11:57 pm, TheAlaskan said:
@ Mudboy
Carrying in-battery is the reason an unintended discharge can happen. After so many posts with negligent discharges, one would think that that would be obvious. Not one person has posted that the pistol was carried chambered as the flaw in the story(s).
If you carry with one in the pipe, there is a chance that the gun can be unintentionally triggered, however remote. OTOH, an unintended triggering on an empty chamber will make no sound.
I was taught to always leave the chamber empty until you were ready to use the weapon. It takes less than a second to jack in a round and that action can be performed during the draw. Only in combat do you carry cocked and locked. Seems today, everyone thinks they’re in combat while bowling, attending son’s ball games or dancing on the dance floor.
Believing in the weapons safety systems to keep an unwanted discharge from happening is careless and unsafe in my opinion. I won’t hunt with people who carry in battery, rifle or pistol.