More FBI Secrecy In The Las Vegas Shooting
BY Herschel Smith
6 years, 3 months ago
ATF was “not allowed to physically examine the interior of the weapons” recovered from the Las Vegas shooter’s hotel room, a new Freedom of Information Act production by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reveals. The baffling revelation appears on page 335 of a response sent to attorney Stephen Stamboulieh as part of an ongoing production of documents responding to his FOIA request.
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“ATF did not disclose that they had not examined the firearms prior to promulgating the rule,” firearms designer and Historic Arms, LLC President Len Savage notes. “And now that the comment period is closed should they go forward with this rule under the Administrative Procedure Act that information can not be used in a court challenge because it was not submitted prior to closing of comments.
“DOJ is manipulating the APA to make sure that information will NOT be used to shoot down the rule,” Savage concludes.
I’m not a lawyer, but the pretext for this entire rule making was the alleged use of bump stocks in the Las Vegas shooting. The intentional inclusion of material false information in the federal record is felony perjury. Government agents should be as liable to that fact as any others.
Continuing with a follow-up.
“Today, we filed a lawsuit against the Federal Bureau of Investigation over a Mandalay Bay FOIA [Freedom of Information Act] request that the FBI denied,” Stamboulieh Law, PLLC announced in a Thursday media advisory.
Firearms designer and Historic Arms, LLC President Len Savage is the plaintiff in the complaint that charges “Defendant FBI is unlawfully withholding records requested by Plaintiff pursuant to 5 U.S.C. §552.” As reported by this column in April:
The FBI has responded. They claim they have no way of knowing how many “bump stocks” have been used in crimes and the FOIA law doesn’t require them to be responsive.
Do you see what’s happening here? Agents of the ATF promulgated the rule on bump stocks. A different federal agency, the FBI, refused them access to the guns in that Las Vegas hotel room, and now claims that none of this is their responsibility. The finger always points in the other direction, doesn’t it?
It is said that FBI agents are having to record their conversations with potential criminals because juries don’t believe them any more.
They deserve it. They’ve asked for everything that’s happening to them. Secrecy is the enemy of good and honest government. Truth be told, there are very few things that there is any moral reason for holding back from the American people. Operations security in a time of war is the only example that comes to mind.
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On August 19, 2018 at 11:40 pm, MTHead said:
Those honest people I keep hearing about at the FBI. Should run like hell!
On August 20, 2018 at 8:18 am, Fred said:
I said this elsewhere:
“That’s not actually a very good reason to bring a law suite against the ATF. Does the banning of a simple accessory depend on whether some guy used one once? Who cares if he did or he didn’t. It’s not relevant.
Banning BumpStocks isn’t about the BumpStock it’s about the banning. The President told the DOJ to tell the ATF to ban them and the DOJ wrote much of the language. This is an egregious violation of the Constitution (I know, I know). The DOJ even went as far as changing the meaning of words to do this. The extra-constitutional procedure and infringement of rights is what needs to be challenged because if it isn’t then the Pres can ban any gun he feels like willy nilly. Poof, your revolver is now a high capacity machine gun, sorry, you have to turn it in or get Red Flagged.”
And this:
“How would the failure to test it/them affect the ban? Did the ATF test lawn darts? It’s too narrow a focus y’all, to pin the future of the 2A on. And it concedes that a prior machine ban would be lawful which it is not, and sufficient which wouldn’t prove that he did or did not use a bump stock anyway. I’m telling you, whether he used a machine gun or or a squirt gun matters not to the administrative banning of an item. They could have decided to ban Sno Cone Machines because of Vegas, so.”
Then I was told that Mr Savage has gotten the ATF to back off on other issues and that he’s attacking about things (Technical specs, etc.) that he understands well. That clarified things for me and it’s all well and good but…
My answer was:
“Still, somebody needs to challenge the ban of gun parts in general and since our ever vigilant NRA supports the bump stock ban, well, it will have to be somebody who is pro gun then.”
To which I’ll add that the ATF will now classify the AR .50 cal uppers as firearms. Poof! Do you see where this going? Also, why would they need to do that if there was no database? Hello?!? Where is your NRA? It won’t be long until you’re banned from not being on the rail cars and the NRA will doing the loading.
On August 20, 2018 at 8:45 am, Ned said:
So ATF and FBI conceal evidence in order to promulgate a rule desired by the overlords. Sounds like business as usual.
On August 20, 2018 at 2:12 pm, Gryphon said:
More of a Clown Show every Day… OBVIOUSLY, Every Person and Every ‘Organization’ in the feral government simply want to Ban all Weapons, but Knowing this gets them Fed to the Wood-Chippers promptly, they are trying Every Possible Bullshit Excuse to ‘Ban Things’. Thus, the Confusion among the various Ratholes in the Swamp is becoming so Contradictory as to be Ridiculous.
Those who Believe (ever so Desperately) that there is some Vast, Overarching Conspiracy to Deprive us of our Rights, conducted in Minute, Obscure Detail, need to Remember that Incompetence often Defeats Intent. The Truth is, IMO, rather Mundane; Corrupt Individuals, Without Morals, may ‘think and act alike’, but their Ability to Act in a coordinated, effective manner is clearly limited by their overall lack of Character. You Know, the “Peter Principle”.