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Mall Security And Police Enforce Sharia In Minneapolis

BY Herschel Smith

6 years, 2 months ago

In Bloomington, Minnesota – Hennepin County – sharia is being enforced by police and mall security at the Mall of America. To UTT followers, this is not surprising.

This time, however, a Christian pastor was arrested and told he was “Not permitted to discuss religion in the Mall.”

Welcome to Minneapolistan.

The pastor, Ramin Parsa, is a former muslim from an Iranian background who converted to Christianity. Parsa provided comments to Third Rail Talk.

See and hear the full interview here.

The following is a transcript of that interview:

ThirdRailTalk.com interviewed California based Pastor Ramin Parsa on August 27th and discovered that while visiting Minnesota last week for his three day visit, and congregation presentation earlier on Saturday, Pastor Parsa was invited by his host to visit the Mall of America, for an enjoyable stroll and coffee, and for his first time in one of Minnesota’s most renowned iconic attractions.

While at the Mall, Pastor Parsa struck up a mutually enjoyable conversation with a couple of young Somali women, who appeared to be delighted to visit with he and his local host pastor.

Hearing his Iranian accent, that they were intrigued. As a result, they asked him where he was from, and hearing that he was born and raised in Iran, and into the Muslim community there, they inquired as to whether he was a practicing Muslim. He replied, no, and indicated that he had converted to Christianity years ago and paid a dear price (torture, and even hard-core and harsh interrogations, and ministry harassment) for his commitment to the Christian church, and the teachings of Jesus Christ…all due to his Christian conversion, he further replied to the interested women.

The young Somali women wanted to know more, and asked him additional questions, and appeared to be enjoying the conversation.

One Somali woman however, who was initially listening to the exchange from a distance, approached the group conversation, objected loudly, and chastised Pastor Parsa, the other pastor, as well as the Somali women, and demanded of the women, that they “not listen to this man”, and directed Pastor Parsa harshly to leave the Somali women alone. Pastor simply suggested to the clearly distraught Somali woman, that the two women were simply asking questions respectfully, and asking for some answers from him, which he was pleased to provide.

In their own language, they began to fight verbally amongst themselves, until the hostile female Somali intruder to the conversation departed – temporarily that is.

Per their request, Pastor Parsa continued to share more of his interesting life story and to explain to them why he has left Islam and why he is now a Christian Pastor, and some cursory details relating to his ministry. The conversation and exchange continued to be mutually pleasant and was apparently pleasing for the two women, and well the two pastors, as well as the fourteen-year-old son of the Minnesota based pastor.

The obviously angry Somali woman who was nearby still, overheard more of the conversation and left the area to falsely report this gathering and discussion to the nearby Mall of America Security officer, as a threat, and as “harassment.” The two Somali women engaged in the conversation with Pastor Parsa and his Minnesota host, actually spoke up in defense of Pastor Parsa, and indicated clearly to the Mall officer, that “they were just talking”.

The MOA “security officer” ignored the plea of the two Somali women, in defense of the pastors, and then told the pastors that they were “not permitted to discuss religion in the Mall” and demanded that they stop, or they would be escorted out of the Mall immediately, or they “would be arrested for soliciting and Illegal Trespass” for ignoring HIS order to cease.

There’s more at the link. Welcome to the hell the globalists have created for us. Directly contrary to that envisioned by the American founders.

Somewhere, George Soros is smiling.

Islamists

Comments

On August 31, 2018 at 12:05 pm, Fred said:

I expect the Southern Baptist Convention to immediately set a missions schedule to send 1 million members, 10,000 a contiguous open day (that’s 100 days in a row) to Mall America to Evangelize in the name of the Holy Risen Savior Christ Jesus, to seek the lost, to openly proclaim the with all boldness that there is no other God in heaven and in earth, that the only way to heaven is through Him, Christ Jesus, who is seated at the right hand God in judgment over all of mankind. Now! Well?

Catholic Church perhaps? Pfft.

Waiting….

On August 31, 2018 at 10:15 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

Re: “This time, however, a Christian pastor was arrested and told he was ‘Not permitted to discuss religion in the Mall.'”

Parsa may have grounds for a lawsuit against the Mall of American ownership; perhaps also against the mall police themselves.

If it is the position of the Mall of America that no one is to proselytize or otherwise speak about religion on the grounds of the facility or within it, have they posted their policies and rules where they are easily-seen and can be read by patrons and shoppers?

What do local statutes say concerning incidents of this type? Would not they be expected to override or overrule MoA regulations? What about applicable state and federal law?

Moreover, if such a policy exists and can be proven by MoA to have existed at the time of the incident, is that policy enforced uniformly against all systems of spiritual and religious belief, or selectively against Christians? Has the policy been enforced up to this time at all?

All that Mr. Parsa’s legal counsel would have to do is do some field research, sufficient to catch one or more other patrons of the mall, engaging in overtly religious behavior, and then wait to document how mall security deals with them – or whether mall security does anything at all.

Rule number four of Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” states: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

Parsa’s legal representation would seek to do exactly that. If such legal representation can prove that people of other religious faiths and beliefs were allowed to engage in them openly on MoA property without consequences, i.e., being asked to stop, being ask to leave, up to arrest – then that inconsistency provides an opening for Mr. Parsa’s lawyers to get the case against their client dismissed, and also to pursue action against Mall of America for engaging in discriminatory, bigoted and hateful behavior.

The overall goal of Parsa’s team should be to show that Christians who shop at the mall are not treated the same as others who shop or visit there – that they are in fact persecuted. If they prove that, then it would force Mall of America into a no-win situation where they would either have to admit fault and apologize to Parsa, or – even if they “win” the case – be shown in the media to be bigoted against Christians.

People in the retail business generally go to great lengths to avoid adverse publicity, and this is the kind of attention no sane merchant or mall owner wants. If Parsa’s team can get them backed into that corner, then there is a very good chance MoA would seek a discreet apology and an out-of-court settlement to make it all go away.

On September 1, 2018 at 10:42 am, Fred said:

GeorgiaBoy, everything you state here is true. The problem is that this is not a legal issue. It’s not a government problem with a government solution. While the solution proffered by you in a secular manner is appreciated this is not a matter for men.

No offense to you sir, and I know that you didn’t mean it this way, but seeking a court of men for resolution in this is a lie and a trick of the father of lies. Seeking equality with the followers of islam under submission to government? God forbid any man do such a thing let alone a follower of Christ Jesus.

Hurling head long into the abyss of a new dark ages is a church problem, it’s an American Church problem. This is the fault of the people of God and no other, and every Christian owes you and our forebearers an apology for allowing America to get to this point.

The people of God submitted unto government is not a people of God at all. To seek with earnestness a government permission to evangelize is NOT Christian. It recognizes false authority where none exists. This is a church problem. This is a problem for believers between them and a Holy Righteous and Just Saviour.

Mr. Para and I have no obligation toward, nor should we seek a government solution to this issue. What if the ruling ends up being against Mr. Para? Should he then be silent? No, his master, if he has a master, is the LORD and not a court of men. Therefore seeking government grant of authority over the LORD’s will is Idolatry of the first order.

Mr. Para should go right back the next day and do it again, only this time take 10 more believers with him to evangelize as well. And then all should take 10 more each and on and on until the evil encircling America is backed off by God Almighty and His men.

This is why the America of our youth is falling apart. The American Church has failed you. This is about men known of God exerting their will over a society that is destructive to itself and its children through its false beliefs and satanic principles. If the LORD our God the risen Christ be with us there is no reason to care one iota what MoA or an American court of clowns has to say in this matter.

Government is of no force or effect over this issue. There is a higher law that if rightly submitted to by the followers of Christ, government, not without a fight and not without much effort by truly believing Christians, will back down. And even if the LORD allows MoA or government to literally torture Mr. Para to death by the crucifixion of the cross our God is able to end the lies of the devil. Our job is to submit to Him and seek the salvation of the lost in Him. If we believe Him and do as the Bible states; “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” The government and MoA and the abortionists, and the public schools, and the commies will eventually back down.

When Christ reigns supreme in the hearts of men no evil can prevail. Period.

On September 1, 2018 at 12:45 pm, Fred said:

Pingpack: ProGunFred, Sharia Law at Mall of America and Men Known of Christ

https://www.minds.com/ProGunFred/blog/sharia-law-at-mall-of-america-and-men-known-of-christ-882660356414042112

On September 1, 2018 at 1:19 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

@ Fred

“No offense to you sir, and I know that you didn’t mean it this way, but seeking a court of men for resolution in this is a lie and a trick of the father of lies. Seeking equality with the followers of islam under submission to government? God forbid any man do such a thing let alone a follower of Christ Jesus.”

I said no such thing, and I’ll thank you not to attribute words to me I didn’t state.

You may see only a religious (Christian) remedy to this problem, but good luck getting anywhere with that in today’s America. You can hold up your Bible and quote scripture all you want, but that won’t move the needle of public opinion in a way that will help the aggrieved gentleman. The legal system, the machine, if you will, does not understand the language you are speaking. Moreover, if you are that unsubtle in your approach, the MSM will simply ignore you.

The way to beat them at their own game, should be like a judoka (practioner of judo) used an opponent’s energy and momentum against him to throw him. Which is to say that the offending party – MoA, etc. – should be manipulated into supplying the energy and momentum themselves, which can then be turned against them. In other words, you use their own system against them, as Alinsky’s rule #4 stipulates.

I will leave the spiritual-religious aspects of this problem to others better-qualified than I am, but bear in mind that a culture can’t be turned around overnight. Just as it took the Left (cultural Marxists) a long time to secularize (de-Christianize) our society, it will be probably be an equally-lengthy task restoring it to the way our country was, in say, 1940 or 1950 (insert date of your choice here). We’re not talking about a speedboat which can be turned on a dime here, but a half-mile long super-tanker which can be turned about only slowly, and over many miles of ocean, to use a nautical analogy.

And that change, should it occur, cannot be forced upon anyone. Or else we’re no different than the Muslims, enforcing sharia at the point of a sword.

On September 1, 2018 at 5:13 pm, Fred said:

Ok. I don’t want to argue about it and certainly didn’t mean to attribute words to you that you didn’t say. You did however just write;

“And that change, should it occur, cannot be forced upon anyone. Or else we’re no different than the Muslims, enforcing sharia at the point of a sword”

To which I would ask; is the force of law you suggest as a remedy, not force? And is not the force of State the same as islam, at the point of a sword? Are both not a pseudo religion on the outside but an ideology of conquest at their heart? You’ve confused Christianity with government and other followers of evil.

I think you misunderstand Christianity if you think that it is force. Exerting ones will by demanding right from wrong be acknowledged, and that right prevail is what a man does in his household, and should do in his country as well. Your suggested remedy, which is also exerting ones will, I don’t think is the correct use of this assertion of right from wrong for a man of god to follow. It is making an Idol of government.

My point was not to insult you but the rail against the American Church and the useless men of God in America.

On September 1, 2018 at 7:14 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

“To which I would ask; is the force of law you suggest as a remedy, not force? And is not the force of State the same as islam, at the point of a sword? Are both not a pseudo religion on the outside but an ideology of conquest at their heart?”

We can probably agree that the state is an imperfect mechanism by which to resolve the dispute in question, but the fact remains – unless you want to become entangled with your local LE agency and legal system – it is what is available at the moment.

“You’ve confused Christianity with government and other followers of evil.”

No, I have not – not even nearly so. It is you who are confused, sir.

“I think you misunderstand Christianity if you think that it is force.”

Wrong again. With due respects, it is you who are guilty of misunderstanding.

“Exerting ones will by demanding right from wrong be acknowledged, and that right prevail is what a man does in his household, and should do in his country as well. Your suggested remedy, which is also exerting ones will, I don’t think is the correct use of this assertion of right from wrong for a man of god to follow.”

That’s quite a bit of doublespeak. Can you say it backwards, too?

“It is making an Idol of government.”

So you say – you really don’t know me if you believe that I wish to make an idol of anything, especially government.

Not to put a premature end to our pleasant little exchange, but please get your thoughts into some sort of coherent and understandable order before posting next time. Your screed reads like a subpar paper from sophomore-year Intro to Philosophy.

On September 2, 2018 at 12:04 am, Georgiaboy61 said:

Fred, I didn’t mean to be rude earlier. If an apology is in order, please consider it extended. It is simply that I do not understand how we got from practical, real-world measures of countering the prejudice of the MoA and the denial of the pastor his rights – which is what I thought I was discussing – to what you posted, which, as near as I can figure out, is a discussion of religious theory or perhaps dogma. I’m not sure which; perhaps you can clue me in as to what you meant.

I am not the Biblical scholar you are, but doesn’t the Bible say something about rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and unto Jesus what is his?
Whether we like it or not, the deep-state – the government-corporate leviathan – is secular. I would argue that secular leftism (cultural Marxism) is in fact a surrogate religion in and of itself, but that’s a discussion for another time.

My point being that you may be able to discuss the finer points of Christianity and Christian doctrine for hours, but none of that matters to the deep-state. They’re tuned to a different wavelength. They’ll simply tune you out. Marginalize you. I’m not saying that’s right – it isn’t – but I believe that to be an accurate appraisal of reality. Meaning, that if you want to fight them, you have to do it on a different intellectual battlefield.
At least for now.

On September 2, 2018 at 8:10 am, Fred said:

Me too. What I should have said at the outset was; GeorgiaBoy has an interesting take on this, here’s another. That’s all I meant to say. I did it very poorly.

On September 2, 2018 at 1:13 pm, Hypo said:

Why not both?
Have the enemy fighting on two fronts.

Then watch the locals burn the place down rather than tolerate different views of Religion.

“By their fruits you will know them.” to paraphrase the scripture.

On September 2, 2018 at 1:26 pm, CB said:

3 choices gentlemen and ladies…

1) Submit to islam.
2) Die from satans religion.
3) Kill all the bastards!

Those are the only choices. The ballot box is rigged, the soap box is nothing but lame bullshit talk from weak individuals. The police and government are not your friends and all they want is more of your money, and your life as slave labor. Yes you can pray to G_d, but he gave man the tools to fight and live, or you can submit on your knees….

On September 2, 2018 at 1:27 pm, jim said:

Well Fred and GeorgiaBoy, you are both wrong. The only way to turn this country around is with massive violence. Find the mall security cop, interrogate and torture if needed to find out where he got his marching orders, then just move up the chain of command. The same can be done with the arresting officer.
This country was NOT founded on kissing ass, nor expecting any media outlet or gov. agency to stop by waving the bible and scripture. How many British soldiers, sailors and loyalists were executed for the sake of our freedom. Nut up gentlemen. It will get spicy…..

On September 2, 2018 at 1:52 pm, Stealth Spaniel said:

Things must be different in Minneapolis , because no one that I know shops at a mall. If you can’t find it online, then, maybe………I have a few shops that are privately owned that I reward with my hard earned cash. I do grocery shop at the local Walmart for what I can’t find at the weekly farmer’s market. However, there is a reason that Bezos is so damned rich and every store under God has an extensive online presence. Most of the “malls” are a dying concern in Commi-Kalifornia. Every Christian in Minnesota should be sending letters to the owners, wishing them Happy Poverty because they will NOT be shopping at any mall that they own. Then research the number of malls that they own in America-and I am sure that it is plentiful-and list those places also. Then make your vow stick.

On September 2, 2018 at 2:40 pm, Mark Matis said:

I agree with Jim.

On September 2, 2018 at 3:30 pm, DAN III said:

Jim@1327 and Mark Matis@1440,

“….massive violence.” Yes. Sad, but true. The “justus” system is criminal in and of itself. Nearly 10 years ago I had my fill of fedgov and their court system. As the citizen plaintiff against county government for violation of my 1st Amendment rights, I sued the scum of county government in federal district court. Long story short….I won a unanimous jury verdict against government in my civil trial ! Guess what ? The countygov appealed to the Clinton-appointed judge. He THREW OUT the jury verdict ! Just threw the jury verdict.under the churning wheels of corrupt government. Why have a jury trial if the judge can negate the jury verdict ?

Georgiaboy61…. IMO you are barking up the tree of ignorance to reality. The entire judiciary from the lowest court up to and including the SCOTUS are a league of treasonous scoundrels who ignore both the states and federal CON-stitutions. The judicial traitors over the last 200+ years have “interpreted” the CON-stitutions (stategov & fedgov) to be virtually meaningless.

After fighting in federal courts against the cockroaches of government for nearly 4 years and tens of tnousands of MY money, I have come to HATE government. The judiciary and legislators of government sit at the top of my list for those deserving of a necktie party.

Georgiaboy61….you are intelligent. ERWACHE.

As Mark Matis commented, I too “….agree with Jim.”

On September 2, 2018 at 3:38 pm, Gryphon said:

The Mall being Private Property generally muddles any Claims of ‘infringement of civil rights’ compared to a Public Street or Park. If this gets “Lawyered” that’s a Big Hurdle. Most Malls, and larger stores (in my area) have a Sign by the Door declaring it to be Private Property, and Prohibiting Solicitation, Leafleting, Political Activities, and Often, the carrying of Weapons.

But yes, this is an Excellent Example of ‘political correctness’ being Enforced against Christians and No One Else, by the (((blosheviks))) and their ‘government’.

On September 2, 2018 at 3:50 pm, Just some guy said:

Go to a muslim t-shirt maker. Hand him the art for [picture of mohammed, text of “Mohammed pubh”]. If he won’t print it, it is a lawsuit (cake shop ruling doesn’t apply since you provide the art there’s no ‘expressive content’, t-shirt guy just has to print the shirt). If he prints the shirt, wear it to the mall, watch muslims freak out (be prepared to get beat up). If mall cop stops you, it is a first amendment lawsuit. Have fun.

All praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster in all his noodlely goodness. :)

On September 2, 2018 at 5:41 pm, Badger said:

Those of us familiar with that area here in the Great Lakes region don’t refer to the Twin Cities as “Mogadishu-North” for nothing. Been out of the game for a bit but even a few years ago it was also a ripe supplier of Somali men destined for Al-Shabaab, including a couple who didn’t make it back due to not paying attention in class overseas, to wit: premature detonation of their homework.

On September 2, 2018 at 6:34 pm, SGT.BAG said:

The airport is 100 times as bad as the mall, the Islamists are all wearing TSA uniforms.

On September 2, 2018 at 7:07 pm, DWEEZIL THE WEASEL said:

This situation is the result of YEARS of Farmer-Labor Party, Democrat Party, syphilitic-thinking ELCA pastors and congregations to “welcome refugees”. Minnesotastan, is the Amerikan equivalent of Sweden. Do not blame or direct your violent thoughts against the Muzzies in general or the Skinnys in particlular.
That Muzzie rat bastard Keith Ellison did not appear out of nowhere and win a seat in Congress, any more than (((Al Franken))). The clueless, corrupt white socialists of the Land of a Thousand Lakes created this terrible situation. They buttered their bread. Let them eat it.

On September 2, 2018 at 8:42 pm, J said:

DISGUSTING!!

On September 2, 2018 at 10:20 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

@ Dan III

“As the citizen plaintiff against county government for violation of my 1st Amendment rights, I sued the scum of county government in federal district court. Long story short….I won a unanimous jury verdict against government in my civil trial ! Guess what ? The countygov appealed to the Clinton-appointed judge. He THREW OUT the jury verdict ! Just threw the jury verdict.under the churning wheels of corrupt government. Why have a jury trial if the judge can negate the jury verdict ?”

After an experience like that, your anger is understandable. Your grievances may very well be legitimate. However, are you really prepared to “go to war” with fed.gov and physically attack the legal system, the police, the courts, the judges? If so, why haven’t you done so?

You were a soldier, were you not? If so, then you know that one of the few things the government does really well is organized violence. In the lingo of the soldier, break things and kill people.

When I asked you why you hadn’t acted -physically acted in meatspace – upon your anger and grievances, I wasn’t calling your courage into question. I’m sure you are very brave. Rather, I was asking, “Do you really want to die on that hill?” Well, do you?

The rule of law is on life support, at best, and is probably already dead-and-buried in an unmarked grave someplace. We have a two-tiered legal system which enforces the letter of the law upon ordinary Americans, and selectively enforces the law – if it is enforced at all – upon members of the wealthy, powerful, and politically-connected ruling and privileged classes.

Crimes that would see you or I imprisoned for life, are excused with a slap on the wrist when it comes to the ruling class. Ted Kennedy’s little adventure at Chappaquiddick in July, 1969, certainly proves that this phenomenon isn’t new. Ted Kennedy was guilty of negligent homicide or an equally-serious crime, but because he was a sitting Senator and his father one of the most-powerful members of the American aristocracy, he was allowed to walk away from the death of poor Mary Jo Kopechne without so much as an apology to her grieving family.

Every day, the members of the criminal cabal of the deep-state delegitimize themselves more and more, publicly revealing themselves as the sociopathic criminals they are. Every day, more “Normies” are taking the red-pill and waking up.

Arguably our nation’s greatest military theorist, the late Colonel John Boyd stressed again and again in his teachings, that war is fought in the physical, mental, and moral realms – and that these different battle-spaces rank in importance from the moral being the most-important, to the mental next, and then only the physical (kinetic) sphere.

Make no mistake – this country is already locked in what some have termed a “cold civil war,” a conflict Boyd would recognize as a form of asymmetrical or fourth-generation warfare.

When you are angry and blowing off steam at the latest miscarriage of justice, “going to guns” might sound like a good idea, but in reality, you’d be playing right into the other side’s hands.

The deep-state has vast experience at dealing with “lone gunmen” – lone wolf types angry at the government or life in general – after a SWAT team punched your ticket, your story would drop off the front page in a week or so, and then your death would become a forgotten, meaningless statistic. And since you resorted to violence first, the mainstream media-propaganda ministry would have no trouble spinning it that you were the bad guy.

By resorting to violence, you might – and I emphasize “might” – win a temporary tactical victory at Boyd’s third and least-important physical level – but you would lose at the higher mental and moral levels. In this struggle, the moral high ground is crucial. Our side has it now, but can easily-lose it by acting recklessly.

The establishment, by its coddling of Muslims and other acts of wanton criminality, is auto-delegitimizing itself at an ever-accelerating rate. Never interfere with an adversary in the midst of making a severe blunder.

I suggest that doing everything we can to accelerate that process of auto-delegitimization is where our efforts should be spent.

On September 3, 2018 at 2:32 am, Gramma said:

a)
So… the third Somali was… loitering? Now, hold on a sec, that right there sounds like another a them dang criminal perpetrators! Haul ’em all off to the hoozgow!

b)
The opinion piece discusses the heritage of most of the actors. The piece obviously does NOT say anything about the heritage of the maul cop.

Based on the agenda of the journalists, can we confidently presume the maul cop might be biased toward persons of a non-Caucasian nature?

On September 3, 2018 at 8:37 am, Ned2 said:

You know, it’s kind of nice to know they’re all congregating in several small areas.
Easier to corral and SSS when things get warm.

On September 3, 2018 at 11:29 am, mikrat said:

I grew up in The Twin Cities back in the 60’s – 80’s. Was a great place. Now its a Libtard shit hole.

As for “…one of Minnesota’s most renowned iconic attractions…” LOL. Nothing but a over crowded tourist trap/mass-shooting waiting to happen.

The Boundary Waters area is Iconic. Not a F’ing Mall.

Hope the guy sues the shit out of the Bloomington Pigs (mall cops) – They are a corrupt bunch and always have been.

On September 3, 2018 at 11:33 am, Fred said:

@Just some guy,
How are your gods of logic, reason, and sound judgment working out for us right now, as a civilization? Going pretty good? Valhalla found, Utopia achieved?

God will not be mocked.

On September 4, 2018 at 3:00 pm, Gryphon said:

Georgiaboy & Dan – The argument of “When to Go to Guns” is a Valid one, and I have been ‘challenged’ by people (on the ‘net, where everyone is a Bada$$) to ‘Get off the Porch or STFU’ a number of Times. What needs to be considered FIRST is just How Much of an Impact (politically) would it make, i.e. is the ‘target’ Big Enough to Matter? My thought is that any common bureaucrat has No Value at the present Time as a ‘target.’

The Corruption and Immorality of the ‘government’ in general, and the Feral .gov in particular, are eventually (Soon, IMO) going to lead to another situation like Waco or the Bundy Ranch, and at that point is where one should give Serious Consideration to ‘join the Fight’.

Also, the Corruption and Infighting among Factions of the government, ‘military-industrial complex’, and the dual-citizen element that controls the economy (and by extension, the ability of the .gov to ‘Pay’ for it all) seems to be coming to a Point where Systemic Failure may well occur. In that Event, the lesser parasites can be disposed of Locally.

On September 4, 2018 at 3:19 pm, FaCubeItches said:

Geez, those were some pretty lousy Somali muslims, since Islam commands them to kill apostates and they totally failed to do so.

On September 5, 2018 at 3:54 am, DAN III said:

Georgiaboy61 @ 2220,

“….are you really prepared to “go to war” with fed.gov and physically attack the legal system (you mean the “justus system”, correct ?), the police (badged thugs), the courts (kangaroo), the judges (black-robed traitors).” MAYBE.

“If so, why haven’t you done so ” ? I AM NOT A FOOL.

I have long remarked here and elsewhere, physically and electronically, that until there is some ORGANIZATION on the lines of the states and Continental Congress circa 1775, the Lone Wolf actions you subscribe to me and challenge me to do, is a Fool’s Errand.

Seems to me you attempt to admonish my remarks by your ludicrous challenge for me to step forward in the “Lone Wolf” role. In the meantime, you revel in your self-righteous and tainted belief, that the Amerikan “system” you hold dearly, will fix all that one identifies as corrupt and against Freedom & Liberty.

Until there is an ORGANIZED movement of Traditional Americans to oppose the tyranny that localgov, stategov and in particular fedgov has become, one person acting against the aforementioned will be labeled as a “nut”. Only to be dismissed by the Left-controlled media as one not aligned with the socialist system.

My remarks are indicative of MY awareness that the American system of individual Freedom and Liberty is nearly dead. It is on life support. Yet, you attempt to admonish me for addressing my valid concerns with the inane challenge you offered me. Gryphon, above, addressed your Left-leaning challenge of “why haven’t you”, in his above remarks.

I suggest you open some books. Read the history of the French Revolution, the American Revolution, the rise of the Third Reich. These and other disillusionments, did not come to fruition by one man standing on a street corner urging folks to awaken. To identify tyranny and criminality by one’s government is a message. It is a message to domestic tyrants and communists, that the citizenry is awakening. Ever so slowly, but they are opening their eyes and minds to the further enslavement of Traditional Americans by the rising tide of traitors in our midst.

To state I take umbrage with your remarks directed toward my comments, is putting it lightly.

ERWACHE.

On September 5, 2018 at 4:31 am, DAN III said:

Georgiaboy61 @ 2220,

Your commentary in the referenced posting continues to astound me. For instance this:

“By resorting to violence, you might – and I emphasize “might” – win a temporary tactical victory….”

So, you believe the American militia who on 19 April 1775, stood at Concord Bridge and on Lexington Green and “fired the shot heard ’round the world”, should rather have sang a chorus led by John Parker, of “Kumbaya” with the advancing Lobsterbacks ?

GB61, I suggest you read, and read again, the Declaration of Independence. The parallels between then and today, in Amerika, are one and the same. Amerikan government today, has become what the Crown was to Patriots in 1776. It is said history repeats itself. The time for singing Kumbaya with the Amerikan Crown is fast approaching it’s end.

ERWACHE.

On September 5, 2018 at 4:42 am, DAN III said:

Gryphon @ 1500,

“….and I have been challenged by people….to ‘Get off the Porch or STFU’ a number of times”.

As have I. Witness the same challenge directed toward my commentary by Georgiaboy61 @ 2220.

On September 5, 2018 at 2:13 pm, Gryphon said:

DANIII – I think that GB61 just lost the Argument with

“By resorting to violence, you might – and I emphasize “might” – win a temporary tactical victory….”

The Action at Lexington and Concorde was just what You wrote about, an Organized Group taking Definitive, ORGANIZED Action against the Tyrannical .gov of the day. From there, I’m certain, that a lot of Lone Wolves joined in and quickly, but without some Leadership, the Rebellion would have been ‘Divided and Conquered’ in the classic sense.

Today, we face a very well-prepared Enemy in the feral government (and its local Lackeys), an Enemy that is VERY Aware that it is Hated and Despised by a large number of Armed Citizens. Thus, the increasingly Desperate attempt to ‘ban guns’, and the Vast Matrix of Surveillance and Data Gathering/Mining that is going on continuously.

There first has to be a “Critical Mass” of Popular Discontent with a government before a Leader can step up and get something Organized. Currently, this situation does Not Exist – Persons who would Organize a valid ‘Resistance Movement’ can be Identified and Eliminated, early on. I believe that Until there is another ‘Bundy Ranch’ type of Incident (that goes Hot) there will Not be sufficient Awareness on the part of enough Patriots to start an Effective Rebellion.

I use the Bundy Ranch as an Example, as I Studied it Closely as it unfolded, and for a long Time Afterwards… it was Apparent after the first Week, that it was drawing “Lone Wolves” and small Groups from around the Nation, and even in spite of the Fact that there were several Persons attempting to “Take Control” of the “Militia Groups”, what happened was there were just Too Many People not a Part of any ‘Leadership’ for the feral government to decapitate and leave the rest Ineffective. That situation meant that ANY ONE of more than a Thousand (or so) Patriots could have “Fired a Shot heard ’round the World” as the First Bullet would have caused the .gov thugs to Respond,and it would have Blown Up from there.

I suspect that there are Far More individuals waiting for some Defining Event, some Overreach by the feral .gov, to “Get off the Porch” when it looks like this would be effective, as opposed to random ‘Vendetta’ acts against individual bureaucrats.

On November 5, 2018 at 3:27 pm, Vicky said:

I randomly came upon this discussion because I was trying to find an update to this case. He was arrested that day. He was held by security guards at the Mall for four hours without amenities, until the police came, at which time he was arrested and booked, before being released. He has to fly back to Minnesota (he was visiting from California for 3 days for a speaking appointment) for a scheduled hearing tomorrow, November 6. His “crime” is listed in the “Public Order Crimes” category.

As he fled first Iran, and then Turkey, before finally finding asylum in the U.S., “the land of the free,” ten years ago, you can imagine his shock to experience this kind of treatment in the U.S. I think anyone hearing of it would be quite shocked as well. Malls have their rules, but it does seem that arresting someone for a congenial private conversation is a bit much.

On August 31, 2018 at 12:05 pm, Fred said:

I expect the Southern Baptist Convention to immediately set a missions schedule to send 1 million members, 10,000 a contiguous open day (that’s 100 days in a row) to Mall America to Evangelize in the name of the Holy Risen Savior Christ Jesus, to seek the lost, to openly proclaim the with all boldness that there is no other God in heaven and in earth, that the only way to heaven is through Him, Christ Jesus, who is seated at the right hand God in judgment over all of mankind. Now! Well?

Catholic Church perhaps? Pfft.

Waiting….
On August 31, 2018 at 10:15 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

Re: “This time, however, a Christian pastor was arrested and told he was ‘Not permitted to discuss religion in the Mall.'”

Parsa may have grounds for a lawsuit against the Mall of American ownership; perhaps also against the mall police themselves.

If it is the position of the Mall of America that no one is to proselytize or otherwise speak about religion on the grounds of the facility or within it, have they posted their policies and rules where they are easily-seen and can be read by patrons and shoppers?

What do local statutes say concerning incidents of this type? Would not they be expected to override or overrule MoA regulations? What about applicable state and federal law?

Moreover, if such a policy exists and can be proven by MoA to have existed at the time of the incident, is that policy enforced uniformly against all systems of spiritual and religious belief, or selectively against Christians? Has the policy been enforced up to this time at all?

All that Mr. Parsa’s legal counsel would have to do is do some field research, sufficient to catch one or more other patrons of the mall, engaging in overtly religious behavior, and then wait to document how mall security deals with them – or whether mall security does anything at all.

Rule number four of Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” states: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

Parsa’s legal representation would seek to do exactly that. If such legal representation can prove that people of other religious faiths and beliefs were allowed to engage in them openly on MoA property without consequences, i.e., being asked to stop, being ask to leave, up to arrest – then that inconsistency provides an opening for Mr. Parsa’s lawyers to get the case against their client dismissed, and also to pursue action against Mall of America for engaging in discriminatory, bigoted and hateful behavior.

The overall goal of Parsa’s team should be to show that Christians who shop at the mall are not treated the same as others who shop or visit there – that they are in fact persecuted. If they prove that, then it would force Mall of America into a no-win situation where they would either have to admit fault and apologize to Parsa, or – even if they “win” the case – be shown in the media to be bigoted against Christians.

People in the retail business generally go to great lengths to avoid adverse publicity, and this is the kind of attention no sane merchant or mall owner wants. If Parsa’s team can get them backed into that corner, then there is a very good chance MoA would seek a discreet apology and an out-of-court settlement to make it all go away.
On September 1, 2018 at 10:42 am, Fred said:

GeorgiaBoy, everything you state here is true. The problem is that this is not a legal issue. It’s not a government problem with a government solution. While the solution proffered by you in a secular manner is appreciated this is not a matter for men.

No offense to you sir, and I know that you didn’t mean it this way, but seeking a court of men for resolution in this is a lie and a trick of the father of lies. Seeking equality with the followers of islam under submission to government? God forbid any man do such a thing let alone a follower of Christ Jesus.

Hurling head long into the abyss of a new dark ages is a church problem, it’s an American Church problem. This is the fault of the people of God and no other, and every Christian owes you and our forebearers an apology for allowing America to get to this point.

The people of God submitted unto government is not a people of God at all. To seek with earnestness a government permission to evangelize is NOT Christian. It recognizes false authority where none exists. This is a church problem. This is a problem for believers between them and a Holy Righteous and Just Saviour.

Mr. Para and I have no obligation toward, nor should we seek a government solution to this issue. What if the ruling ends up being against Mr. Para? Should he then be silent? No, his master, if he has a master, is the LORD and not a court of men. Therefore seeking government grant of authority over the LORD’s will is Idolatry of the first order.

Mr. Para should go right back the next day and do it again, only this time take 10 more believers with him to evangelize as well. And then all should take 10 more each and on and on until the evil encircling America is backed off by God Almighty and His men.

This is why the America of our youth is falling apart. The American Church has failed you. This is about men known of God exerting their will over a society that is destructive to itself and its children through its false beliefs and satanic principles. If the LORD our God the risen Christ be with us there is no reason to care one iota what MoA or an American court of clowns has to say in this matter.

Government is of no force or effect over this issue. There is a higher law that if rightly submitted to by the followers of Christ, government, not without a fight and not without much effort by truly believing Christians, will back down. And even if the LORD allows MoA or government to literally torture Mr. Para to death by the crucifixion of the cross our God is able to end the lies of the devil. Our job is to submit to Him and seek the salvation of the lost in Him. If we believe Him and do as the Bible states; “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” The government and MoA and the abortionists, and the public schools, and the commies will eventually back down.

When Christ reigns supreme in the hearts of men no evil can prevail. Period.
On September 1, 2018 at 12:45 pm, Fred said:

Pingpack: ProGunFred, Sharia Law at Mall of America and Men Known of Christ

https://www.minds.com/ProGunFred/blog/sharia-law-at-mall-of-america-and-men-known-of-christ-882660356414042112
On September 1, 2018 at 1:19 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

@ Fred

“No offense to you sir, and I know that you didn’t mean it this way, but seeking a court of men for resolution in this is a lie and a trick of the father of lies. Seeking equality with the followers of islam under submission to government? God forbid any man do such a thing let alone a follower of Christ Jesus.”

I said no such thing, and I’ll thank you not to attribute words to me I didn’t state.

You may see only a religious (Christian) remedy to this problem, but good luck getting anywhere with that in today’s America. You can hold up your Bible and quote scripture all you want, but that won’t move the needle of public opinion in a way that will help the aggrieved gentleman. The legal system, the machine, if you will, does not understand the language you are speaking. Moreover, if you are that unsubtle in your approach, the MSM will simply ignore you.

The way to beat them at their own game, should be like a judoka (practioner of judo) used an opponent’s energy and momentum against him to throw him. Which is to say that the offending party – MoA, etc. – should be manipulated into supplying the energy and momentum themselves, which can then be turned against them. In other words, you use their own system against them, as Alinsky’s rule #4 stipulates.

I will leave the spiritual-religious aspects of this problem to others better-qualified than I am, but bear in mind that a culture can’t be turned around overnight. Just as it took the Left (cultural Marxists) a long time to secularize (de-Christianize) our society, it will be probably be an equally-lengthy task restoring it to the way our country was, in say, 1940 or 1950 (insert date of your choice here). We’re not talking about a speedboat which can be turned on a dime here, but a half-mile long super-tanker which can be turned about only slowly, and over many miles of ocean, to use a nautical analogy.

And that change, should it occur, cannot be forced upon anyone. Or else we’re no different than the Muslims, enforcing sharia at the point of a sword.
On September 1, 2018 at 5:13 pm, Fred said:

Ok. I don’t want to argue about it and certainly didn’t mean to attribute words to you that you didn’t say. You did however just write;

“And that change, should it occur, cannot be forced upon anyone. Or else we’re no different than the Muslims, enforcing sharia at the point of a sword”

To which I would ask; is the force of law you suggest as a remedy, not force? And is not the force of State the same as islam, at the point of a sword? Are both not a pseudo religion on the outside but an ideology of conquest at their heart? You’ve confused Christianity with government and other followers of evil.

I think you misunderstand Christianity if you think that it is force. Exerting ones will by demanding right from wrong be acknowledged, and that right prevail is what a man does in his household, and should do in his country as well. Your suggested remedy, which is also exerting ones will, I don’t think is the correct use of this assertion of right from wrong for a man of god to follow. It is making an Idol of government.

My point was not to insult you but the rail against the American Church and the useless men of God in America.
On September 1, 2018 at 7:14 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

“To which I would ask; is the force of law you suggest as a remedy, not force? And is not the force of State the same as islam, at the point of a sword? Are both not a pseudo religion on the outside but an ideology of conquest at their heart?”

We can probably agree that the state is an imperfect mechanism by which to resolve the dispute in question, but the fact remains – unless you want to become entangled with your local LE agency and legal system – it is what is available at the moment.

“You’ve confused Christianity with government and other followers of evil.”

No, I have not – not even nearly so. It is you who are confused, sir.

“I think you misunderstand Christianity if you think that it is force.”

Wrong again. With due respects, it is you who are guilty of misunderstanding.

“Exerting ones will by demanding right from wrong be acknowledged, and that right prevail is what a man does in his household, and should do in his country as well. Your suggested remedy, which is also exerting ones will, I don’t think is the correct use of this assertion of right from wrong for a man of god to follow.”

That’s quite a bit of doublespeak. Can you say it backwards, too?

“It is making an Idol of government.”

So you say – you really don’t know me if you believe that I wish to make an idol of anything, especially government.

Not to put a premature end to our pleasant little exchange, but please get your thoughts into some sort of coherent and understandable order before posting next time. Your screed reads like a subpar paper from sophomore-year Intro to Philosophy.
On September 2, 2018 at 12:04 am, Georgiaboy61 said:

Fred, I didn’t mean to be rude earlier. If an apology is in order, please consider it extended. It is simply that I do not understand how we got from practical, real-world measures of countering the prejudice of the MoA and the denial of the pastor his rights – which is what I thought I was discussing – to what you posted, which, as near as I can figure out, is a discussion of religious theory or perhaps dogma. I’m not sure which; perhaps you can clue me in as to what you meant.

I am not the Biblical scholar you are, but doesn’t the Bible say something about rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and unto Jesus what is his?
Whether we like it or not, the deep-state – the government-corporate leviathan – is secular. I would argue that secular leftism (cultural Marxism) is in fact a surrogate religion in and of itself, but that’s a discussion for another time.

My point being that you may be able to discuss the finer points of Christianity and Christian doctrine for hours, but none of that matters to the deep-state. They’re tuned to a different wavelength. They’ll simply tune you out. Marginalize you. I’m not saying that’s right – it isn’t – but I believe that to be an accurate appraisal of reality. Meaning, that if you want to fight them, you have to do it on a different intellectual battlefield.
At least for now.
On September 2, 2018 at 8:10 am, Fred said:

Me too. What I should have said at the outset was; GeorgiaBoy has an interesting take on this, here’s another. That’s all I meant to say. I did it very poorly.
On September 2, 2018 at 1:13 pm, Hypo said:

Why not both?
Have the enemy fighting on two fronts.

Then watch the locals burn the place down rather than tolerate different views of Religion.

“By their fruits you will know them.” to paraphrase the scripture.
On September 2, 2018 at 1:26 pm, CB said:

3 choices gentlemen and ladies…

1) Submit to islam.
2) Die from satans religion.
3) Kill all the bastards!

Those are the only choices. The ballot box is rigged, the soap box is nothing but lame bullshit talk from weak individuals. The police and government are not your friends and all they want is more of your money, and your life as slave labor. Yes you can pray to G_d, but he gave man the tools to fight and live, or you can submit on your knees….
On September 2, 2018 at 1:27 pm, jim said:

Well Fred and GeorgiaBoy, you are both wrong. The only way to turn this country around is with massive violence. Find the mall security cop, interrogate and torture if needed to find out where he got his marching orders, then just move up the chain of command. The same can be done with the arresting officer.
This country was NOT founded on kissing ass, nor expecting any media outlet or gov. agency to stop by waving the bible and scripture. How many British soldiers, sailors and loyalists were executed for the sake of our freedom. Nut up gentlemen. It will get spicy…..
On September 2, 2018 at 1:52 pm, Stealth Spaniel said:

Things must be different in Minneapolis , because no one that I know shops at a mall. If you can’t find it online, then, maybe………I have a few shops that are privately owned that I reward with my hard earned cash. I do grocery shop at the local Walmart for what I can’t find at the weekly farmer’s market. However, there is a reason that Bezos is so damned rich and every store under God has an extensive online presence. Most of the “malls” are a dying concern in Commi-Kalifornia. Every Christian in Minnesota should be sending letters to the owners, wishing them Happy Poverty because they will NOT be shopping at any mall that they own. Then research the number of malls that they own in America-and I am sure that it is plentiful-and list those places also. Then make your vow stick.
On September 2, 2018 at 2:40 pm, Mark Matis said:

I agree with Jim.
On September 2, 2018 at 3:30 pm, DAN III said:

Jim@1327 and Mark Matis@1440,

“….massive violence.” Yes. Sad, but true. The “justus” system is criminal in and of itself. Nearly 10 years ago I had my fill of fedgov and their court system. As the citizen plaintiff against county government for violation of my 1st Amendment rights, I sued the scum of county government in federal district court. Long story short….I won a unanimous jury verdict against government in my civil trial ! Guess what ? The countygov appealed to the Clinton-appointed judge. He THREW OUT the jury verdict ! Just threw the jury verdict.under the churning wheels of corrupt government. Why have a jury trial if the judge can negate the jury verdict ?

Georgiaboy61…. IMO you are barking up the tree of ignorance to reality. The entire judiciary from the lowest court up to and including the SCOTUS are a league of treasonous scoundrels who ignore both the states and federal CON-stitutions. The judicial traitors over the last 200+ years have “interpreted” the CON-stitutions (stategov & fedgov) to be virtually meaningless.

After fighting in federal courts against the cockroaches of government for nearly 4 years and tens of tnousands of MY money, I have come to HATE government. The judiciary and legislators of government sit at the top of my list for those deserving of a necktie party.

Georgiaboy61….you are intelligent. ERWACHE.

As Mark Matis commented, I too “….agree with Jim.”
On September 2, 2018 at 3:38 pm, Gryphon said:

The Mall being Private Property generally muddles any Claims of ‘infringement of civil rights’ compared to a Public Street or Park. If this gets “Lawyered” that’s a Big Hurdle. Most Malls, and larger stores (in my area) have a Sign by the Door declaring it to be Private Property, and Prohibiting Solicitation, Leafleting, Political Activities, and Often, the carrying of Weapons.

But yes, this is an Excellent Example of ‘political correctness’ being Enforced against Christians and No One Else, by the (((blosheviks))) and their ‘government’.
On September 2, 2018 at 3:50 pm, Just some guy said:

Go to a muslim t-shirt maker. Hand him the art for [picture of mohammed, text of “Mohammed pubh”]. If he won’t print it, it is a lawsuit (cake shop ruling doesn’t apply since you provide the art there’s no ‘expressive content’, t-shirt guy just has to print the shirt). If he prints the shirt, wear it to the mall, watch muslims freak out (be prepared to get beat up). If mall cop stops you, it is a first amendment lawsuit. Have fun.

All praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster in all his noodlely goodness. :)
On September 2, 2018 at 5:41 pm, Badger said:

Those of us familiar with that area here in the Great Lakes region don’t refer to the Twin Cities as “Mogadishu-North” for nothing. Been out of the game for a bit but even a few years ago it was also a ripe supplier of Somali men destined for Al-Shabaab, including a couple who didn’t make it back due to not paying attention in class overseas, to wit: premature detonation of their homework.
On September 2, 2018 at 6:34 pm, SGT.BAG said:

The airport is 100 times as bad as the mall, the Islamists are all wearing TSA uniforms.
On September 2, 2018 at 7:07 pm, DWEEZIL THE WEASEL said:

This situation is the result of YEARS of Farmer-Labor Party, Democrat Party, syphilitic-thinking ELCA pastors and congregations to “welcome refugees”. Minnesotastan, is the Amerikan equivalent of Sweden. Do not blame or direct your violent thoughts against the Muzzies in general or the Skinnys in particlular.
That Muzzie rat bastard Keith Ellison did not appear out of nowhere and win a seat in Congress, any more than (((Al Franken))). The clueless, corrupt white socialists of the Land of a Thousand Lakes created this terrible situation. They buttered their bread. Let them eat it.
On September 2, 2018 at 8:42 pm, J said:

DISGUSTING!!
On September 2, 2018 at 10:20 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

@ Dan III

“As the citizen plaintiff against county government for violation of my 1st Amendment rights, I sued the scum of county government in federal district court. Long story short….I won a unanimous jury verdict against government in my civil trial ! Guess what ? The countygov appealed to the Clinton-appointed judge. He THREW OUT the jury verdict ! Just threw the jury verdict.under the churning wheels of corrupt government. Why have a jury trial if the judge can negate the jury verdict ?”

After an experience like that, your anger is understandable. Your grievances may very well be legitimate. However, are you really prepared to “go to war” with fed.gov and physically attack the legal system, the police, the courts, the judges? If so, why haven’t you done so?

You were a soldier, were you not? If so, then you know that one of the few things the government does really well is organized violence. In the lingo of the soldier, break things and kill people.

When I asked you why you hadn’t acted -physically acted in meatspace – upon your anger and grievances, I wasn’t calling your courage into question. I’m sure you are very brave. Rather, I was asking, “Do you really want to die on that hill?” Well, do you?

The rule of law is on life support, at best, and is probably already dead-and-buried in an unmarked grave someplace. We have a two-tiered legal system which enforces the letter of the law upon ordinary Americans, and selectively enforces the law – if it is enforced at all – upon members of the wealthy, powerful, and politically-connected ruling and privileged classes.

Crimes that would see you or I imprisoned for life, are excused with a slap on the wrist when it comes to the ruling class. Ted Kennedy’s little adventure at Chappaquiddick in July, 1969, certainly proves that this phenomenon isn’t new. Ted Kennedy was guilty of negligent homicide or an equally-serious crime, but because he was a sitting Senator and his father one of the most-powerful members of the American aristocracy, he was allowed to walk away from the death of poor Mary Jo Kopechne without so much as an apology to her grieving family.

Every day, the members of the criminal cabal of the deep-state delegitimize themselves more and more, publicly revealing themselves as the sociopathic criminals they are. Every day, more “Normies” are taking the red-pill and waking up.

Arguably our nation’s greatest military theorist, the late Colonel John Boyd stressed again and again in his teachings, that war is fought in the physical, mental, and moral realms – and that these different battle-spaces rank in importance from the moral being the most-important, to the mental next, and then only the physical (kinetic) sphere.

Make no mistake – this country is already locked in what some have termed a “cold civil war,” a conflict Boyd would recognize as a form of asymmetrical or fourth-generation warfare.

When you are angry and blowing off steam at the latest miscarriage of justice, “going to guns” might sound like a good idea, but in reality, you’d be playing right into the other side’s hands.

The deep-state has vast experience at dealing with “lone gunmen” – lone wolf types angry at the government or life in general – after a SWAT team punched your ticket, your story would drop off the front page in a week or so, and then your death would become a forgotten, meaningless statistic. And since you resorted to violence first, the mainstream media-propaganda ministry would have no trouble spinning it that you were the bad guy.

By resorting to violence, you might – and I emphasize “might” – win a temporary tactical victory at Boyd’s third and least-important physical level – but you would lose at the higher mental and moral levels. In this struggle, the moral high ground is crucial. Our side has it now, but can easily-lose it by acting recklessly.

The establishment, by its coddling of Muslims and other acts of wanton criminality, is auto-delegitimizing itself at an ever-accelerating rate. Never interfere with an adversary in the midst of making a severe blunder.

I suggest that doing everything we can to accelerate that process of auto-delegitimization is where our efforts should be spent.
On September 3, 2018 at 2:32 am, Gramma said:

a)
So… the third Somali was… loitering? Now, hold on a sec, that right there sounds like another a them dang criminal perpetrators! Haul ’em all off to the hoozgow!

b)
The opinion piece discusses the heritage of most of the actors. The piece obviously does NOT say anything about the heritage of the maul cop.

Based on the agenda of the journalists, can we confidently presume the maul cop might be biased toward persons of a non-Caucasian nature?
On September 3, 2018 at 8:37 am, Ned2 said:

You know, it’s kind of nice to know they’re all congregating in several small areas.
Easier to corral and SSS when things get warm.
On September 3, 2018 at 11:29 am, mikrat said:

I grew up in The Twin Cities back in the 60’s – 80’s. Was a great place. Now its a Libtard shit hole.

As for “…one of Minnesota’s most renowned iconic attractions…” LOL. Nothing but a over crowded tourist trap/mass-shooting waiting to happen.

The Boundary Waters area is Iconic. Not a F’ing Mall.

Hope the guy sues the shit out of the Bloomington Pigs (mall cops) – They are a corrupt bunch and always have been.
On September 3, 2018 at 11:33 am, Fred said:

@Just some guy,
How are your gods of logic, reason, and sound judgment working out for us right now, as a civilization? Going pretty good? Valhalla found, Utopia achieved?

God will not be mocked.
On September 4, 2018 at 3:00 pm, Gryphon said:

Georgiaboy & Dan – The argument of “When to Go to Guns” is a Valid one, and I have been ‘challenged’ by people (on the ‘net, where everyone is a Bada$$) to ‘Get off the Porch or STFU’ a number of Times. What needs to be considered FIRST is just How Much of an Impact (politically) would it make, i.e. is the ‘target’ Big Enough to Matter? My thought is that any common bureaucrat has No Value at the present Time as a ‘target.’

The Corruption and Immorality of the ‘government’ in general, and the Feral .gov in particular, are eventually (Soon, IMO) going to lead to another situation like Waco or the Bundy Ranch, and at that point is where one should give Serious Consideration to ‘join the Fight’.

Also, the Corruption and Infighting among Factions of the government, ‘military-industrial complex’, and the dual-citizen element that controls the economy (and by extension, the ability of the .gov to ‘Pay’ for it all) seems to be coming to a Point where Systemic Failure may well occur. In that Event, the lesser parasites can be disposed of Locally.
On September 4, 2018 at 3:19 pm, FaCubeItches said:

Geez, those were some pretty lousy Somali muslims, since Islam commands them to kill apostates and they totally failed to do so.
On September 5, 2018 at 3:54 am, DAN III said:

Georgiaboy61 @ 2220,

“….are you really prepared to “go to war” with fed.gov and physically attack the legal system (you mean the “justus system”, correct ?), the police (badged thugs), the courts (kangaroo), the judges (black-robed traitors).” MAYBE.

“If so, why haven’t you done so ” ? I AM NOT A FOOL.

I have long remarked here and elsewhere, physically and electronically, that until there is some ORGANIZATION on the lines of the states and Continental Congress circa 1775, the Lone Wolf actions you subscribe to me and challenge me to do, is a Fool’s Errand.

Seems to me you attempt to admonish my remarks by your ludicrous challenge for me to step forward in the “Lone Wolf” role. In the meantime, you revel in your self-righteous and tainted belief, that the Amerikan “system” you hold dearly, will fix all that one identifies as corrupt and against Freedom & Liberty.

Until there is an ORGANIZED movement of Traditional Americans to oppose the tyranny that localgov, stategov and in particular fedgov has become, one person acting against the aforementioned will be labeled as a “nut”. Only to be dismissed by the Left-controlled media as one not aligned with the socialist system.

My remarks are indicative of MY awareness that the American system of individual Freedom and Liberty is nearly dead. It is on life support. Yet, you attempt to admonish me for addressing my valid concerns with the inane challenge you offered me. Gryphon, above, addressed your Left-leaning challenge of “why haven’t you”, in his above remarks.

I suggest you open some books. Read the history of the French Revolution, the American Revolution, the rise of the Third Reich. These and other disillusionments, did not come to fruition by one man standing on a street corner urging folks to awaken. To identify tyranny and criminality by one’s government is a message. It is a message to domestic tyrants and communists, that the citizenry is awakening. Ever so slowly, but they are opening their eyes and minds to the further enslavement of Traditional Americans by the rising tide of traitors in our midst.

To state I take umbrage with your remarks directed toward my comments, is putting it lightly.

ERWACHE.
On September 5, 2018 at 4:31 am, DAN III said:

Georgiaboy61 @ 2220,

Your commentary in the referenced posting continues to astound me. For instance this:

“By resorting to violence, you might – and I emphasize “might” – win a temporary tactical victory….”

So, you believe the American militia who on 19 April 1775, stood at Concord Bridge and on Lexington Green and “fired the shot heard ’round the world”, should rather have sang a chorus led by John Parker, of “Kumbaya” with the advancing Lobsterbacks ?

GB61, I suggest you read, and read again, the Declaration of Independence. The parallels between then and today, in Amerika, are one and the same. Amerikan government today, has become what the Crown was to Patriots in 1776. It is said history repeats itself. The time for singing Kumbaya with the Amerikan Crown is fast approaching it’s end.

ERWACHE.
On September 5, 2018 at 4:42 am, DAN III said:

Gryphon @ 1500,

“….and I have been challenged by people….to ‘Get off the Porch or STFU’ a number of times”.

As have I. Witness the same challenge directed toward my commentary by Georgiaboy61 @ 2220.
On September 5, 2018 at 2:13 pm, Gryphon said:

DANIII – I think that GB61 just lost the Argument with

“By resorting to violence, you might – and I emphasize “might” – win a temporary tactical victory….”

So, you believe the American militia who on 19 April 1775, stood at Concord Bridge and on Lexington Green and “fired the shot heard ’round the world”, should rather have sang a chorus led by John Parker, of “Kumbaya” with the advancing Lobsterbacks ?”

The Action at Lexington and Concorde was just what You wrote about, an Organized Group taking Definitive, ORGANIZED Action against the Tyrannical .gov of the day. From there, I’m certain, that a lot of Lone Wolves joined in and quickly, but without some Leadership, the Rebellion would have been ‘Divided and Conquered’ in the classic sense.

Today, we face a very well-prepared Enemy in the feral government (and its local Lackeys), an Enemy that is VERY Aware that it is Hated and Despised by a large number of Armed Citizens. Thus, the increasingly Desperate attempt to ‘ban guns’, and the Vast Matrix of Surveillance and Data Gathering/Mining that is going on continuously.

There first has to be a “Critical Mass” of Popular Discontent with a government before a Leader can step up and get something Organized. Currently, this situation does Not Exist – Persons who would Organize a valid ‘Resistance Movement’ can be Identified and Eliminated, early on. I believe that Until there is another ‘Bundy Ranch’ type of Incident (that goes Hot) there will Not be sufficient Awareness on the part of enough Patriots to start an Effective Rebellion.

I use the Bundy Ranch as an Example, as I Studied it Closely as it unfolded, and for a long Time Afterwards… it was Apparent after the first Week, that it was drawing “Lone Wolves” and small Groups from around the Nation, and even in spite of the Fact that there were several Persons attempting to “Take Control” of the “Militia Groups”, what happened was there were just Too Many People not a Part of any ‘Leadership’ for the feral government to decapitate and leave the rest Ineffective. That situation meant that ANY ONE of more than a Thousand (or so) Patriots could have “Fired a Shot heard ’round the World” as the First Bullet would have caused the .gov thugs to Respond,and it would have Blown Up from there.

I suspect that there are Far More individuals waiting for some Defining Event, some Overreach by the feral .gov, to “Get off the Porch” when it looks like this would be effective, as opposed to random ‘Vendetta’ acts against individual bureaucrats.
On November 5, 2018 at 3:27 pm, Vicky said:

I randomly came upon this discussion because I was trying to find an update to this case. He was arrested that day. He was held by security guards at the Mall for four hours without amenities, until the police came, at which time he was arrested and booked, before being released. He has to fly back to Minnesota (he was visiting from California for 3 days for a speaking appointment) for a scheduled hearing tomorrow, November 6. His “crime” is listed in the “Public Order Crimes” category.

As he fled first Iran, and then Turkey, before finally finding asylum in the U.S., “the land of the free,” ten years ago, you can imagine his shock to experience this kind of treatment in the U.S. I think anyone hearing of it would be quite shocked as well. Malls have their rules, but it does seem that arresting someone for a congenial private conversation is a bit much.

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