FOIA Information Releases On Bump Stock Ban
BY Herschel Smith
5 years, 6 months ago
Len Savage sends the following pages released as part of his FOIA request on the bump stock ban.
Now, let’s pose some questions for readers to consider. First, why are these pages marked SECRET/NOFORN (No Foreign Nationals)? Second, if you were Paddock, why would you voluntarily choose to shoot an AR-15 with a bump stock in a crime you intended to perpetrate when you could shoot a fully automatic weapon? Third (and I’ll keep asking this until I get an answer), why did the FBI refuse to allow the ATF to examine the crime scene weapons?
Apparently, the most important requirement for government “service” is that you are willing to hide things from the public and release only information you see as beneficial to your cause (whatever that might be). In other circles, that’s called lying.
In the absence of any further information, I’ll continue to believe my own son’s analysis after listening to the consistency of the rate of fire over video: “He was using a fully automatic weapon.” And my son has plenty of time under his belt shooting fully automatic weapons. Bottom line – I’ll believe my son over the FedGov.
On May 17, 2019 at 9:59 am, mac mcgovern said:
I believe full auto weapons were being used. One weapon did have an increase of the firing rate towards the end of the burst. It may have been the weapon “cooking off” or it may have been a weapon with a bumpstockj
On May 17, 2019 at 10:05 am, DAN III said:
ALCON,
Re: “FOIA Information Releases…..” essay by Mr. Smith.
Who do you trust ?
Fedgov ?
Badged thugs ?
On May 17, 2019 at 10:17 am, Fred said:
The ‘NOFORN” would be correct…if you accept the premise that the information need be classified based upon a “reasonable expectation” that if known, the information could cause “serious damage to the national security.” The information would not adversely affect an ally, or more importantly, the US position with those/that ally.
What reasonable expectation of serious damage to the national security, is the question to ask.
I still say it was an op that went sideways and we will never know (be told) the truth.
Immediate gut reaction upon hearing the fire in the video(s) was AK47 auto, but auto absolutely.
On May 17, 2019 at 10:57 am, Badger said:
There is no LEGITIMATE reason for the security classification/handling instruction (No Foreign Dissemination, to be exact about it) other than to protect the integrity of an operation initiated by the gov’t. For a non-DoD agency their equivalent would be Unclassified/LE Sensitive. I distinctly recall hearing in one of the early sound transcripts released in which a concert security person was reporting a shooter on the ground near a checkpoint for the venue viewing area. Zero luck finding that audio file again since. I don’t think this was an opn that went sideways; I think it accomplished exactly what they wanted. More demonization of AR’s, standard mags, and a bumpstock ban is like cake icing. The classification need only be there if sources & methods (the “who & how”) were at risk. FUBAR
On May 17, 2019 at 11:45 am, Heywood said:
I have said it was full auto since day 1. This thing fell off the radar screen way too quickly. It stinks.
On May 17, 2019 at 12:31 pm, Ned2 said:
Badger nailed it.
There is no way this wouldn’t still be a story if it was perpetrated as per the government narrative.
There is a lot of information that’s been “disappeared”.
On May 17, 2019 at 1:30 pm, MTHead said:
I don’t think it’s lying when your on the job. that’s call perjury, or treason if you will.
If the FBI had info of full-autos being made after 86′. why wasn’t Paddock arrested?
As for full-auto being used in Vegas. I can tell you what wasn’t used. and that was bump-stocks. a 60 yr. old arm cannot bump 1100 rds. in 10 min.(official final count). with those guns, 100 rnd. mags and bi-pods on a downward angle! DIDN’T HAPPEN!
Oh ya, don’t forget him shooting holes in av-gas tanks at 650 yrds. with a 5.56.
On May 17, 2019 at 3:37 pm, Fred said:
An op going sideways and results favorable to a commie government are not mutually exclusive.
On May 17, 2019 at 4:08 pm, John Taylor said:
FYI, the YouTube reference in INTAKE-CJIS-430 returns “Video Unavailable”.
There are far too many inconsistencies and far too much missing data surrounding this issue to make any serious determination. I agree that the audio strongly suggests full-auto fire, and I doubt that anyone can prove scientifically from the existing data that it is instead bump-stock fire. I suspect that the chain of evidence is by now so corrupt as to render any physical evidence displayed at this point highly suspect. In sum, we will never know, and that I will always suspect government malfeasance.
On May 17, 2019 at 4:50 pm, MTHead said:
No John, no need to speculate. Go get the best bump-stock man in the country and see if he can do it. 1100 rnds. in 10 mins. he couldn’t. not with that equipment.
At this point they have to get rid of bump-stocks just to maintain the narrative. anyone whoever used one could tell you the FBI is so full of crap their ear wax is brown.
On May 17, 2019 at 5:04 pm, John said:
I listened carefully also and I completely disagree. The obviously wandering rate of fire was a dead giveaway that the weapon(s) were not factory made, fully automatic weapons.
On May 17, 2019 at 7:28 pm, Len Savage said:
For anyone interested here is the May disclosure in full there are several hundred pages..
https://www.scribd.com/document/410341446/May-Production-2019
We should not have had to sue the FBI in order to get these documents.
On May 17, 2019 at 8:17 pm, Herschel Smith said:
Thanks for your diligence Len.
On May 17, 2019 at 10:22 pm, Badger said:
Thanks for the May Production (haven’t gone through it all yet).
Did they ever release anything that resolved or discussed all the comings/goings from Paddocks room (key logs) while he was sitting down in the casino gambling (documented on video), including what I recall indicated presence of at least 2, based on 1 being let in by someone else (log indications the door was opened from the INside)?
This thing stinks soooo bad.
On May 18, 2019 at 9:03 am, Llama said:
Anybody have a fresh link to the video referenced?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1FBJC_IOYG
Is listed as Video Unavailable.
Thx!
On May 18, 2019 at 5:48 pm, Geoff said:
The audio of the cell phone video indicates a rate of fire around 600 to 650 rounds per minute (RPM) which is consistent with the M249 belt fed Light Machine gun. A bump stock on the AR15 is 900 RPM with practice. Just over 6 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g62m7yOhgRY
Go to 30 seconds.
Cell phone video. Two 10 second bursts separated by 30 seconds, to let the barrel cool and change belts. 100 round belts are standard, although larger can be used if rate of fire is intermittent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oggQoNgXcqI
On May 18, 2019 at 10:39 pm, Dan said:
EVERY person I have spoken too that heard the audio of the shooting and who had spent time in combat stated that it was FULL AUTO FIRE they were hearing…..most stated it sounded similar to the RPK/RPD family of firearms in terms of rate of fire. And you’d have to be brain dead or willfully ignorant to not believe that the feds are hiding something…or a lot of somethings….regarding the Vegas shooting.
On May 19, 2019 at 9:35 am, 191145 said:
video has been removed . Anyone have it saved ?
On May 19, 2019 at 10:44 pm, John Comeau said:
191145, no but I found the snippet in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vV168bvQQ