Losing The Electoral College: A Sure Path To Tyranny
BY Herschel Smith
5 years, 7 months ago
If a “popular vote” replacement of the Electoral system is allowed to stand, you can kiss “legal” recognition of the right to keep and bear arms goodbye, as well as anything meaningful ever happening to stop the ongoing invasion of “pathway to citizenship”-bound foreign nationals into this country.
As I’ve said before, the GOP’ers want the Latinos because they want cheap labor. The labor is cheap because they’ve set up a system of socialized medicine wherein the middle class has to provide medical care for themselves and everyone else, including immigrants. So the cost of immigration is foist on the middle class, which they want to eviscerate.
Do you doubt any of this?
The Trump administration’s Department of Justice wants to eliminate all of Obamacare and drastically roll back access to healthcare. On Monday, the Trump DOJ announced that it will continue combating the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, agreeing with a Texas federal judge’s ruling against sustaining the ACA on the basis of the GOP tax law changes in 2017. This decision to continue pushing for the repeal of the ACA is a clear signal that health care will be one of the top pressing issues in the upcoming 2020 election.
Beyond these efforts, however, there will be disastrous consequences if the law is eliminated. According to the Urban Institute’s 2019 analysis of the potential consequences of the full repeal of the ACA, an estimated 20 million people would immediately lose health care coverage, and health care spending would decrease in states where coverage rates had increased the most via the ACA.
Latinos in particular made the biggest gains in access to insurance under Obamacare over the last six years.
That’s one big reason they vote democratic by 75%-80%. As for the issue of gun control, we’ve discussed that before at length, and the statistics match almost precisely with what the numbers of supplied.
Of course, while the GOP elitists want to line the pockets of their fellow members of the BoD of various corporations with cheap labor, the democrats want the voters. That’s why nothing can stop this. It is inevitable. North Carolina was close in the last election, and Florida was a razor’s edge.
Texas will likely go blue this election or next, and Georgia is heading that way. But lose Florida or Texas and it’s over for any resemblance of constitutional conservatism in America for this generation and the next.
I realize this may be a bit far afield from David’s main point (the electoral college), but not really so much. The Latino population weighs big in states like New Mexico, Texas, Florida and California. What’s going to happen if we lose the electoral college and the popular vote is all that matters?
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On May 24, 2019 at 6:20 am, ragman said:
Since the Electoral College is part of the Constitution wouldn’t any change require a constitutional amendment? Gun registration and confiscation is coming, at least it’s going to be attempted. Gun grabbers could care less about our ability to protect ourselves and our families. They want to take away our ability to resist the tyranny that will certainly result if we become a true democracy. How we will react to this is the real question.
On May 24, 2019 at 7:02 am, Heywood said:
@ragman. The Constitution only dictates that the states send electors. It doesn’t specifically state how they are apportioned.
On May 24, 2019 at 7:24 am, ragman said:
Correct, but they must still send them and from what I understand the electors can vote for whoever they want. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
On May 24, 2019 at 7:53 am, Heywood said:
@ragman. Nope, you are correct. Remember in 2016 they were trying to get them to cast votes for someone other than Trump. However, you know damn well they aren’t going to send anyone who will rock the boat. We all know this wasn’t the intent of the Electoral College, but intent be damned according to libtards (see 2A for further proof). Constitutionally IMHO, we don’t have a leg to stand on. Nebraska and Maine already split their votes. I don’t know whether it has been challenged or not.
On May 24, 2019 at 8:42 am, Bob said:
Remember, Florida allowed felons to vote. That’s 1.5 million extra voters. How many will vote democrat? Trump only won Florida by 113,000 votes.
If Florida is the only state that flips, he might be fine. How likely is that?
On May 24, 2019 at 9:48 am, scott s. said:
The USCONS gives state LEGISLATURES the power to “appoint” electors. Previous USSC decisions have stated the legislature’s power is “plenary”. The legislature sets the place where the electors shall give their votes.
In my state, state law determines how electors are appointed. Electors are voted for by party. The law states how a party qualifies to have electors, also a provision for how non-parties can qualify electors for the ballot. The law provides that the name of the party’s nominee for president and vice president appear on the ballot, but that’s for convenience. Each party provides lists of electors and alternates to the Governor. When the election results are certified, the winning party’s electors are notified to convene in Honolulu for the vote. The law states they must vote for the nominee of their party (with the USCONS restriction on the state of residence of the Pres and Vice Pres). The votes for Pres and Vice Pres are compiled and delivered to the Governor who then transmits the documents to Washington. We haven’t had a so-called “faithless elector” issue so I don’t know what would happen if an elector did not follow the law.
Note that there were complaints about popular voting irregularities in the 1840 presidential election and moreso in 1844 which resulted in Congress mandating that the canvass be held on the same day throughout the country beginning with the 1848 election. The timing of Tues in Nov was due to South Carolina until the civil war had its legislature directly elect the electors so the vote had to be timed for when its legislature was in session.
Since the civil war popular election has been used for electors, except in 1876 the Republican congress made a deal with the Colorado territorial legislature that Colorado would be admitted as a state if the Colo legislature would elect the electors. Those 3 electors gave the edge to Hayes in an election with many other irregularities over how electors would be appointed (or more accurately, who would determine if the electors were valid).
Also, it wasn’t until the election of 1872 that the US representatives were voted for on the same day (Senators of course were a matter for the legislature, not a popular vote until Amendment XVII).
On May 24, 2019 at 9:49 am, Chris Mallory said:
The Constitution gives state legislatures (SL) total and complete authority to determine how electors are selected. Article 2 Section 1 Clause 2. The SL can decide to allow state residents to vote. The SL can decide to nominate electors by vote of the SL. This was the option used by many of the states after the nation was founded. It wasn’t until the 1870’s that all states allowed state citizens to vote to determine electors. Theoretically, a SL could select electors by a chicken crapping on a grid.
As for the electors voting for who ever they want, it depends on state law. 29 states have laws punishing “faithless electors” or requiring electors to vote as directed.
So people try to use the Constitutional requirement that interstate compacts must be approved by Congress as a way to derail this. But in 1893 Virginia vs. Tennessee, the Supreme Court held that congressional approval was only required in cases where the state compact trespassed upon Federal authority. Since the Constitution gives state legislatures the authority to determine how to select electors no Federal authority is involved.
On May 24, 2019 at 10:27 am, Fred said:
Scott and Chris, although it is understood what you meant, the US Constitution ‘gives’ nothing to the states or to the people. The States specifically enumerated their reserving to themselves the manner in which electors are…blah blah blah.
What a road we’ve traveled to get here. It’s disheartening.
On May 24, 2019 at 11:23 am, TheAlaskan said:
The partitioning of America begins…
On May 24, 2019 at 12:30 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
The real issue at hand is the constant cheating of the Democrats/Left and their ceaseless attempted end-runs around our laws, customs and practices pertaining to the vote.
Around 1960, when the U.S. was a much more traditional nation than it is now, the political left took stock of its status in American life and did not like what it saw – a country full of traditional Americans of European stock who tended to vote Republican and who even, in significant numbers, still attended church.
Rather than reform their party and ideology to enhance their appeal to a greater number of voters, the Left instead decided to “fire” the electorate, and appoint a new one in its place.
With the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Left sensed that conditions were right for their gambit, and the result was the 1965 Immigration & Naturalization Act, also known as the Hart-Celler Act, after the last names of its two principle Congressional authors, both Democrats.
Historically, the U.S. – being a nation of European origins – has always favored European immigrants as citizens-to-be, while allowing in others from various other nations and regions around the world. Hart-Celler turned that policy upside down, now granting immigration priority to non-Europeans ahead of would-be Americans from Europe.
Today, fifty years since Hart-Celler, its effects are readily apparent, even to those who don’t follow politics, or know 1960s history.
Rigging the game in their favor in the arena of legal immigration still wasn’t enough for the Left, who then ramped up their efforts to bring more illegal aliens – whom they call “undocumented immigrants” – into the country.
Neither major political party did much to stop them, since each had its own reasons for wanting more illegals here. Public opinion – which has shown consistently for decades that ordinary Americans want this problem fixed – was ignored, or if comment was made by the political class, it was only around election time to get the proles to dig into their wallets one more time. After getting re-elected, that Congressman or Senator resumed his/her disdain for the issue, going back to ignoring it completely.
There is a third leg to this triad of corruption: Registering people to vote illegally, or otherwise breaking election laws, i.e., multiple votes cast by the same person, individuals voting out of district, fraudulent voter registration (“dead men voting”), and similar scams designed to stuff ballot boxes in their favor.
Again, the establishment GOP has done nothing but wring its hands. They have been worse-than-useless.
Viewed in light of this history of lawlessness where the vote is concerned, we ought not to be too surprised at this latest ploy. The Left, like rust, never sleeps.
On May 24, 2019 at 1:22 pm, Chris Mallory said:
Ok, Fred, you don’t like the word “gives”.
“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.”
Do you like “reserves” better? How about “protects”? The quoted clause specifically singles out this authority as belonging to the state legislatures. You are straining at gnats while swallowing a camel.
On May 24, 2019 at 2:55 pm, Fred said:
Chris, please don’t take it personally. It matters because the People created the States and the General Government. When a young person hears or learns that the Constitution gives positive rights to the states or the people, it’s a short hop for them to communism. It is the people that own(ed) everything and grant to the States and to the General Government certain enumerated, delegated powers, over which the States and Feds are thereby given authority, and NO OTHERS. The use of the word ‘gives’ infers that all power rests with the government and we are its subjects.
So, no, the Constitution, and therefore the government does not give, confer, grant, allow, or permit, or any type or types of thing or condition to the States or to the People. And obviously, the Constitution “protects” nothing, or we wouldn’t be in this mess. The Constitution is nothing but a legal framework, a covenant, by which we live, the General Government having broken the covenant by permission of the people and acquiescence of the states, we are now returning to God’s Natural Law, LORD help us all. There is a higher law. God save us.
The chain of command as indicated in the Constitution:
God at the head
The people
The States
The General Government, with very limited authorities, in service to the above
This has been flipped on it’s head by decades, yay, centuries of bad teaching and power mad sociopaths to the point where a sentence that includes ‘the Constitution gives the states…’ just rolls right off of the tongue.
It is the people who ‘give’ and where they fail to ‘protect; their governments then run amok.
See the King James Holy Bible, Magna Carta (not a big fan), Locke, Jefferson, etc.
On May 24, 2019 at 3:56 pm, moe mensale said:
“Remember, Florida allowed felons to vote. That’s 1.5 million extra voters. How many will vote democrat? Trump only won Florida by 113,000 votes.”
@Bob,
That’s quite an open ended statement. The felon vote was just passed in Nov 2018 and became effective in Jan 2019. 1.5 million felons haven’t cast any votes yet. And most of them probably will not avail themselves of that right. Why? Because they have to make financial restitution as well as pay any court ordered fees and fines. Also, murderers and sexual offenders are not eligible. Only 2,000+ felons signed up for their restored right in the first 3 months of 2019. Additionally, there’s a new bill awaiting Gov DeSantis’ signature that would further narrow which felons are eligible.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-felons-won-back-right-to-vote-new-bill-might-limit-who-can-cast-ballot-2019-05-23/
On May 24, 2019 at 6:41 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
Felons voting isn’t the only outrage the Democrats/Left are contemplating. More than one prominent Democrat has speculated publicly about lowering the voting age to sixteen. Why on earth would this be contemplated? Because the young are more-likely than the old to vote Democrat….
On May 24, 2019 at 6:46 pm, Bob said:
My comment is obviously about 2020. The clue is the word “will”.
I’m glad it’s not as dire as it could be, but you’re making big assumptions. You’re assuming the 2k who registered is representative of election-season registration levels. You’re assuming the bill will be signed, though we’ll find that out soon.
Do you know how many of the felons are murderers or sex offenders?
On May 24, 2019 at 8:20 pm, Gryphon said:
What makes Anyone Think that “Voting” can Change the ‘system’? Seriously? It has been a 1-Party (the Party of Money) for more than a Century now, when the Congress was Bought and the President Blackmailed into allowing a Private, (jew-owned) International Corporation to “Print Money” (not “Coin Money” as the Constitution Requires).
The ORIGINAL “Constitution” was Dissolved by the Secession of a number of States, and the subsequent ‘constituion’ was a product of Corruption, and imposed upon the Seceded States by Military Occupation. what is called the “constitution” Today are the ‘articles of incorporation’ of a Private Corporation doing business as “THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”.
This Corporation went Bankrupt in 1933, and since then has been Operated by the (((Creditors))) for (((their))) private Benefit.
Want to Know More? Look up what Congressman James Trafficant had to Say about the Subject, and for Reference look for the “Financial Emergency Act of 1933”, the Declaration of Bankruptcy by the ‘congress’ and the subsequent Turnover of ALL ASSETS OF THE NATION to the (((creditors))).
(Clue) Why do you have to Pay Taxes on “Property”? YOU DON’T OWN IT, THE (((banks))) DO.
On May 24, 2019 at 10:46 pm, Fred said:
Now that’s a good explanation, thanks Gryphon.
On May 25, 2019 at 12:07 pm, DAN III said:
Gryphon @ 2020,
Thanks for your informative comment. Very good.
On May 25, 2019 at 1:10 pm, moe mensale said:
@Bob,
“My comment is obviously about 2020. The clue is the word “will”.”
It’s not obvious. You excluded any dates. Most people have no idea when this ballot initiative was passed.
“I’m glad it’s not as dire as it could be, but you’re making big assumptions. You’re assuming the 2k who registered is representative of election-season registration levels. You’re assuming the bill will be signed, though we’ll find that out soon.”
I didn’t say the 2,000 was a run rate. Let’s be realistic. 1.5 million felons aren’t going to show up at the polls in 2020. Remember, the felon’s sentence must be fully completed in order for him to be legally eligible to vote. That means jail time, probation and any court ordered restitution. It could take years for all 1.5 million to become eligible. Then there’s the unknown factor of how many of them really care if they can or can’t vote. 10%? 50%? 100%? I don’t think anyone has a good handle on this.
I’m not assuming DeSantis will sign it. The FL House and Senate are. DeSantis has stated publicly that he will. It’s on his desk. He has a week left to do so.
“Do you know how many of the felons are murderers or sex offenders?”
I have no idea.
On May 25, 2019 at 11:15 pm, Jaque said:
The people of the United States are only an election away from turning our Republic Marxist. All the fuzes have been placed and lit. They are burning now. And with the Marxist government comes the Marxist doctrine – and the end of civilian firearm possession. Ammunition and reloading materials will also be banned. Many other liberties will end. Taxation will be oppressive to the middle class and above. All the vectors are in alignment for the move to Marxism. The bums of the Marxist party are broadcasting their intent. A large amount of Americans have become soft, mushy, lazy, greedy, welfare sucking bums. The Marxists will enlist the rapidly expanding population of illegals for their votes. Dark days are ahead.
I think its time that the patriots in American society need to be quietly preparing for a resistance movement. Very quietly as Red Flag laws will be used heavily. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Marxist Regime uses United Nations troops to enforce is gun controls should the peoples resistance become heavy. The Declaration of Independence lays the groundwork for a peoples resistance. It was effective once, and should be effective again. The six million dollar question is are there enough patriots able and willing to stand up for the Republic and oppose the Marxists. A significant number of Civilian, Law Enforcement, Military and the Republican Party will all need to resist.
On May 26, 2019 at 2:18 am, Georgiaboy61 said:
@Jaque
The question is one of leaving alone or not leaving alone. Most trad-Americans want only to live out their lives in peace, left to own devices. Those who interfere can’t live with this, and so contrive to interfere and intervene in the lives of those who wish to be left alone. The circle of self-determination in which a traditional American lives grows smaller and smaller by the day…. will it grow so small that the American in question will finally rolled up his sleeves and get to taking care of business, well, your guess is as good as mine.
On May 28, 2019 at 2:13 am, Dan said:
The goal of the left is total and complete control over everyone and everything. This requires COMPLETE control of the Executive Branch…..
FOREVER. And THAT is the reason for this attempt to eliminate the
Electoral College restraint on what is called “The Tyranny Of The Majority”.
The intention is to insure that the Commie Demonrat party NEVER LOSES AN ELECTION FOR THE PRESIDENCY EVER AGAIN.