Remington Leaving The MSR Market
BY Herschel Smith
4 years, 9 months ago
Via David Codrea, TTAG reports that this is apparently so.
But with the likes of Palmetto State Armory and others utterly offering complete AR-15s for under $400 right now there’s likely not much profit in AR platform rifles.
It shouldn’t been seen as a shock, though. Colt has bowed out of the civilian AR market due to lack of sales. There is an overabundance of product and a relative lack of demand since President Trump’s election in 2016.
It appears that the combination of the “Trump Slump” and Remington’s poor management have killed two well-known names in the AR-15 world.
It seems to me that if you’re going to make MSRs these days, they must fall into one of two categories. The first is high end rifles and pistols, e.g., Daniel Defense, LaRue Tactical, BCM, CMMG, and the second is the budget gun, e.g., PSA.
There is a huge difference in price point, and there just doesn’t seem to be a big market for the middle of the road price point.
On February 5, 2020 at 11:27 pm, jack said:
Having not been in the MSR market since I left Kalifornia (where the laws screw with the market) what’s the true quality and accuracy difference between PSA and DD or BCM?
On February 5, 2020 at 11:31 pm, Herschel Smith said:
I guess that depends upon whose fans you listen to.
On February 6, 2020 at 8:13 am, ragman said:
Or you could do what I did: acquire absolutely top quality components and build yer own for about $1000. I’m talking B5 stock, Sprinco buffer spring, Spikes Heavy Buffer, Aero Precision upper and lower, PSA Enhanced BCG, BCM hand guard, Ballistic Advantage Premium barrel. I used a generic lower parts kit, gas block and gas tube. I will compare my build to ANY top quality, very expensive assembled rifle on the market. An upgrade trigger from Geissele, &TC is doable for under $200 if desired. It’s fun to do and gives the builder hands-on experience concerning the function of the Stoner platform.
On February 6, 2020 at 1:58 pm, Nog said:
Jack, there are many videos on youtube about this. Most say yes get top quality its your life you are defending (and sometimes they recommend a sponsor of their channel). However, many have found store bought ARs are perfectly OK for our normal defensive uses. Meaning if you are going to kick butt and take names in a war zone, use the best. If you just need a home defense weapon to protect the wife from 3 or 4 dirtbags, the lower tier will do the job. Most rifles are reliable and more accurate than the shooter operating it. I have one S&W Sport and 2 PSAs. They have all worked very well. Don’t be afraid to jump in the lower tier pool. I would say beware of anyone selling a home built. Not all builders do it right.
On February 6, 2020 at 1:59 pm, jayne cobb said:
Nog’s on point.
On February 6, 2020 at 4:49 pm, MTHead said:
Ragman and Nog are both right. The beauty of the system is that your not “stuck” with what you bought. I sold a lot of middle road price guns that worked just fine. I use to tell folks get a gun, optics, ammo and start shooting!
There’s so many products that are just snap in place. The best way to determine what you want on your gun is trigger time!
If your skill level Is builder stage. Build a new upper. Take the old one to a gun show and sale it to a newby, cheap. Want a new trigger, cool! now you got spare trigger parts. All the time having a firearm in hand. And improving at the same time. I don’t see a downside.
And remember, soldiers are sent to battle with Colts. Not the highest quality firearms. The average person can buy a PSA. And run right passed a Colt in nothing flat!
On February 6, 2020 at 5:09 pm, 15Fixer said:
What is “MSR”?
I have purchased the best parts I could afford, after doing my ‘due diligence’ research about my intended purchases. I have built my own. I have shot my purchased rifles and the ones I built. I have shot the rifles my friends have owned. The more expensive ones didn’t always shoot better, or were more ‘comfortable’ than mine. If they had a better ‘something’ then maybe I upgraded. I don’t think I ever “settled” because I bought non-brand name pieces. Me and my rifles shoot quite well, thank you.
On February 6, 2020 at 8:15 pm, Craig said:
15Fixer
MSR = modern sporting rifle
Since they are apparently dumping Tapco as well, my take is Remington and Colt are bending a knee to the commie Tards and no longer want to be identified as “scary gun” and hi cap magazine makers.
On February 6, 2020 at 9:48 pm, 15Fixer said:
Craig, thank you very much!