Kenosha, WI: What Started The Event?
BY Herschel Smith
4 years, 2 months ago
It’s easy to say that St. Jacob Blake was the start, but he was only the pretext for the violence in Kenosha.
Most of this comes from good friend Len Savage, via AR-15.com. As it turns out, Kyle Rittenhouse attempted to do what he came for, i.e., protect property.
“Kyle apparently ran up at the gas station and provided a fire extinguisher that put out Pedo Boy’s dumpster fire that he was pushing into the gas station … It pissed pedo boy off and they attempted to ambush and set the kid on fire to teach him a lesson…”
Then came screams of “get him.” They wanted to burn things, Kyle tried to stop it, and for that they chased him down.
This was all in self defense, as his lawyers are pointing out. Oh, and they’re not done yet. They want to know where he is.
If he goes to a cell and anyone gets a lock on his location — email it to us https://t.co/f83kxUho4c
— Jailhouse Lawyers Speak — #August21 ⚔️ (@JailLawSpeak) August 26, 2020
If this Twitter post gets taken down, here is an archive of it. I wonder if some DA will take this case up?
Before all of that, the very start of another video shows the cops telling people to go home since “they are civilians.” Nothing pisses me off more than hearing that. Cops are civilians too.
Any questions on the sort of people you’re dealing with? Three convicted criminals got shot, one a wife-beater, another a pedophile, and finally one who came after Kyle with a pistol in his hand (who could not legally own that weapon), who were chasing Kyle down after he tried to stop burning of businesses, something the cops wouldn’t do themselves.
This may be one of the most videographed CQB events in history. Kyle won. That makes them angry. It makes Antifa/BLM angry, and it makes the Kenosha DA angry.
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On August 29, 2020 at 11:12 am, 41mag said:
And the BLANTIFA will modify tactics as a result.
Would like @Herschel and @Brackens opinion on what changes they’ll make.
The gray camo pants guy and the “BLM backpack girl” seemed to walk around passively but they acted more professional as agitators/rioters, so maybe they’re next move is going after Rittenhouse family/friends??
On August 29, 2020 at 11:17 am, blake said:
It is obvious Kyle knows a bit about weapons handling. Note, the rifle sling. Without the sling, Kyle probably loses the rifle and his life.
Remember, everything we see like this should be analyzed and used as a learning tool on how to deal with a situation like this, should it arise.
On August 29, 2020 at 11:27 am, Herschel Smith said:
@blake,
I agree. Without proper retention, Kyle looses his life. Sling operation is critical, and I learn more about this the more I watch and think about it.
Interesting note. My son and his unit fabricated slings out of weaving 550 cord together because they didn’t like the slings they were sent with to Iraq.
On August 29, 2020 at 11:28 am, Matt Bracken said:
The Communists thought they could LARP-riot their way to victory, using their old Marxist revolution playbook.
Apparently, they missed the chapter called, “First, disarm the freedom-loving patriots.”
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On August 29, 2020 at 11:47 am, 41mag said:
@Herschel
Id imagine by weaving the 550 cord it tightens and strengthens as force is applied to it, rather than the nylon strip.
Was Rittenhouse sling connected to just the buttstock, and not the forward sling post?
On August 29, 2020 at 11:59 am, Fred said:
It looked, to me, to be a single point. There is some question about this across the webz.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:01 pm, Herschel Smith said:
MrGuns&Gear thinks he was running a single point sling, and that’s what helped him to shoot at such odd angles from prone (or on his back).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKAucs4dd3U&t=849s
On August 29, 2020 at 12:01 pm, Fred said:
I should add, I have had reservations about single points. But regardless of what Mr. Rittenhouse had, I can plainly see by the compilation of vids that a single point would be immensely helpful instead of a multi, and I may be coming around.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:08 pm, blake said:
A lesson to also take away from this incident: Herschel recounts everything escalated when Kyle got a fire extinguisher to put out a dumpster fire.
The group Kyle was with made the mistake of not mounting an overwatch while their guy was working the fire extinguisher.
Again, not faulting anyone, because no one expects to wind up in trouble trying to put out a fire.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:10 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@blake,
It’s not entirely clear he was “with a group.” He should have been. Not faulting, just observations on TTP.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:12 pm, James said:
Fred,have heard many discussions for/against single point,perhaps a good adjustable sling with rifle mounts set up so one could have 1/2/ point options for given situation,something I am going to try at least and see if doable and in a quick manner change if needed.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:14 pm, blake said:
@Herschel,
Got it. I thought the consensus was that Kyle was with a group of people.
Like you, I’m not faulting, just trying to learn from this incident.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:18 pm, Fred said:
JailLawSpeaks should know, no sure if it’s true, but there might be a so called 100 heads insurance policy on Mr. Rittenhouse.
There is no way this thing deescalates any time soon.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:18 pm, blake said:
Crud, now I have to ask, what is TTP?
(I’m quite sure the answer is obvious, but, for some reason, it escapes me)
On August 29, 2020 at 12:22 pm, Herschel Smith said:
Tactics, Techniques and Procedures.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:28 pm, Fred said:
@James, thanks. MGG in the vid posted in comments by @Herschel is talking hybrid slings which can qdd to switch from two point to singe. Sling portion starts around 10:45 min mark
On August 29, 2020 at 12:29 pm, Bill Buppert said:
Single point can cause twisting and mounting a two point to just forward of barrel nut and the trailing end to the RIGHT side of the end of the stock for right handed shooters (this prevents limit of movement when mounting on support shoulder). Much more stable than single point. Nonetheless, young Rittenhouse showed great discipline and form.
On August 29, 2020 at 12:38 pm, blake said:
Thanks Herschel.
And the write up at AR15 is outstanding.
On August 29, 2020 at 1:02 pm, blake said:
The thought just struck me: Are there any witnesses of the shootings that dare come forward?
The arrest record of the people involved in the Kenosha riots suggests this might not be a wise idea.
But, these rioters aren’t exactly Mensa material, so, they might just decide they need to testify, hoping the system they’re trying to destroy will help them.
On August 29, 2020 at 1:33 pm, Fred said:
@Herschel, or anybody, in the MGG video you linked in comments, the guy talks about Struggle Sessions which lead to “islands”. This starts around the 17:45 or so. What is/are these “islands” in Mao’s revolution? Google is useless (on purpose).
On August 29, 2020 at 3:13 pm, Last Stand said:
A single point sling is easier to use for awkward firing positions. Still, it is harder to use a single point sling on patrol for hours at a time, as the rifle will continuously slam on your knees. A two point sling is better if you will be on patrol for a prolonged time period Because of less banging on your knees and less arm fatigue, but it is not as maneuverable as the one point. I’ve used both in Afghanistan, And each has its usefulness depending on the situation.
On August 29, 2020 at 3:39 pm, Heywood said:
@Bill. I had heard all of those arguments against single point. I tried and found it allowed me the most versatility in awkward positions (like this young man found himself in). It took practice, but I really like it. Your mileage may vary…..
On August 29, 2020 at 4:35 pm, xtron said:
just an observation of a curious point of observation…..
rittenhouse shoots a man in the head…the medics have a hard time finding the bullet wound….
a minute later, the same person, with the same gun, and the same ammo, at about the same rangeshoots another man in the arm, and half that man’s upper arm is blown off.
read that again if you haven’t got questions as to what REALLY happened
On August 29, 2020 at 5:30 pm, Chris Mallory said:
I do hope that what ever facilities Rittenhouse is being held in that there will be a few stand up guys who either watch his back or put the word out that harming him is a death sentence.
On August 29, 2020 at 6:06 pm, Jack Amok said:
“in the MGG video you linked in comments, the guy talks about Struggle Sessions which lead to “islands”.”
It was a little garbled, but he said “violence”, not “islands.” Sounded like “islands” the first time I listened to it too.
On August 29, 2020 at 10:50 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
@ Herschel
Re: “I agree. Without proper retention, Kyle looses his life. Sling operation is critical, and I learn more about this the more I watch and think about it.”
The sling is to the rifle as the holster is to the handgun…. that’s the sage observation the old salts have offered up over the years, for what it is worth.
“Interesting note. My son and his unit fabricated slings out of weaving 550 cord together because they didn’t like the slings they were sent with to Iraq.”
Another gear-hack is guy’s fabricating slings out of bungee cord, wholly or in part, to give the needed range-of-motion while still offering retention.
The knock on single-point slings is that when you move with any authority at all and the carbine/rifle is hanging freely, you’ll catch it in the crotch, knees, thighs, you name it. Conversely, a well-set-up single point allows an operator to keep his weapon in a low-ready position – even with one hand in some instances (depending on the design of the long arm, whether it has a pistol grip or not).
However, the drift one gets these days from a lot of the guys who “been there, done that” is away from single-point slings to two-point adaptable systems, or hybrid single/two-point set-ups which offer the best of both worlds.
Former SOF-D (Delta Force) operator and SNCO Kyle Lamb (Viking Tactics) and his former Delta colleague Larry Vickers (Vickers -Blue Force Gear) both offer slings of this kind, as do many other outfits. The adaptable two-points allow the carbine or rifle to be easily converted from 1-to-2 point or back again, and also allow the operator to switch between having the rifle slung or in-use strong or weak side in front. Additionally, the sling can be used in the traditional manner to provide support in various shooting positions. The caveat is that these styles of sling take practice to operate/use correctly and with reasonable speed and smoothness.
QD attachment points are highly useful, regardless of the particular set-up you use. Perhaps their biggest drawback is that they are not completely silent, but that is not always an issue in any case, depending on the AO.
On August 30, 2020 at 4:40 am, Hudson H Luce said:
xtron, that head wound was obvious on at least one of the videos. Rosenbaum got shot four times, the “medics” didn’t find the rest of the wounds.
Having practiced criminal defense law for a while, I find this video to be the best analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE
On August 30, 2020 at 4:49 am, Nosmo said:
RE: Georgiaboy61’s comment, single-point vs two-point slings, one can – sort of – approximate a single with the right two-point connection. On one of my 3-Gun rifles I have two forward sling attachment points, one out near the muzzle and one as close to the barrel nut as possible (M-LOK handguard with QD sling attachments, Midwest Industries ‘push button” QD sling swivels), and a Vickers sling.
It can’t be done “on the fly” but one can move the forward sling attachment out to the muzzle to provide more stability during vigorous movement or rearward to allow more rifle movement; a simple tug changes the sling length with a Vickers. I would not want to start moving sling attachment positions around once the festivities begin, and attempting training to too many options is a fast path to failure.
Not perfect, and certainly not as “motion allowing” as single-point; it’s probably something more useful in the 3-Gun game than the street, and in 3-Gun there’s time to swap the attachment positions depending on how the stage is laid out and how you think you’ll attack it. I’ve tried single-point slings and am not comfortable with the lack of control they offer running, climbing, or going hands-on; I always had to assign one hand the job of controlling the rifle.
This discussion got me thinking – something I have not tried is re-positioning the rear sling attachment point forward, locating it at the rear of the receiver while keeping the two forward handguard sling attachment positions; it could be that separating the attachment points only by the length of the receiver allows more control and the much of the flexibility of a single-point. It may also be possible to have two QD attachment points at the rear of the receiver to effectively duplicate a single-point while still offering the attachment point options of a two-point. I will have to experiment.
On August 30, 2020 at 5:42 am, Georgiaboy61 said:
@ Nosmo
Your post got me to thinking; a pseudo-single point but actual two-point can be had – as you state – by moving the two attachment points closer to one another.
Re: “I would not want to start moving sling attachment positions around once the festivities begin, and attempting training to too many options is a fast path to failure.”
I heard that! Very good advice. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. Get as close as you can to something that works, and go with it. “Perfect” isn’t one of the choices on the menu.
And elite troops of various kinds around the world dispense with slings altogether – temporarily anyway – for the reasons you mention. They don’t want that sucker on your shoulder; they want it in your hands and free to move when contact is made.
One other option, albeit very old-school, is to carry muzzle-down, in “African-style” Safari Carry. Practiced old hands can get their muzzle up and on-target in very little time.
On August 30, 2020 at 5:48 am, Wes said:
@Chris Mallory: My understanding is that he is still in hometown of village of Antioch. Extradition hearing still to be held; delayed till next week. Also read, probably yesterday, that village of Antioch declared curfew following the “bounty” twit publishing.
On August 30, 2020 at 10:04 am, Chris Mallory said:
Wes, most correctional facilities are actually run by the inmates. Juvie halls are almost the worst of the bunch. If Rittenhouse is out on bail, he should be OK. But locked up with various gangs he will need protection from one of the gangs. Unless they are locked up in a Thomas Silverstein situation anyone can be got while behind bars.
On August 30, 2020 at 2:11 pm, Fred said:
@Mr. Amok, whatever you do, don’t run. I know, it was stupid. Thanks for the clarification. I listened like 3 times. Probably the poor sound quality on my system. Also, I’m pretty retarded sometimes, so who knows. Your answer makes sense. Thanks!
On August 30, 2020 at 2:27 pm, Fred said:
About the initial report on Rosenbaum, ie the hole in his back. It sounds to me like an exit wound from what the doctors described. 223 can be tricky. The report makes mentions of large hole in his back associated with travel through a lung and his liver. Again 223 can be tricky. Given what IS visible and knowable about the simply magnificent restraint of Mr. Rittenhouse I have my doubts that he shot Rosenbaum in the back. Couple that with what is visible in the Rosenbaum sequence and the clearly see and known aggression Rosenbaum also displayed, I’m figuring that that part of the report is from an inexperienced hand and that the large hole in his back is indeed an exit wound. You can see blood coming from the nose of Rosenbaum that is consistent with major lung damage.
Ps. There is no conspiracy here OK!?! Well, correction, there is no other conspiracy than to overthrow the several states and install a national communistic authoritarian murderous regime.
On August 30, 2020 at 4:02 pm, Duke Norfolk said:
“the simply magnificent restraint of Mr. Rittenhouse”
He may have set too high a bar for the rest of us! Everybody will be expected to not blow some scum bag away with a follow up shot; or two or three. ;-)
On August 30, 2020 at 6:19 pm, snuffy said:
Re the “shoot me n—a” guy. I realize that everyone refers to him as “pedoguy”, and I have seen the alleged screenshot of him from the WI sex offender registry, but, if you go there and search, he’s not on it. The poster at AR15.com claims he has a record, both on the street, and while incacerated, in Arizona. He’s not on the Arizona sex offender site either. Nor is he found on the Dru Sjodin Nat’l site. With marginal photoshop skills, the previously mentioned screenshot wouldn’t be hard to fake. I’m not saying he’s not a criminal, but the sex offender label might be inaccurate.
On August 30, 2020 at 7:23 pm, Herschel Smith said:
See:
https://copblaster.com/blast/25931/so-called-kenosha-victim-joseph-rosenbaum-was-a-sex-offender
https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/08/28/the-southern-preposterous-lie-center-strikes-again/
He’s also an arsonist.
https://inmatedatasearch.azcorrections.gov/PrintInmate.aspx?ID=172556
On August 30, 2020 at 7:31 pm, Elmo said:
Snuffy-
When Andy Ngo got trolled with a screenshot of short bald pedo guy’s clean sex offender registry page Andy replied it was taken down because he was room temperature and posted a screenshot of short bald pedo guy’s sex offender registry page from before he had achieved said temperature. So yes, he truly was a 5’3″ tall bald child molester.
I tried to find the screenshot in question but Andy’s twitter page is so voluminous that after 20 minutes trying to find it I gave up. I was getting worn out looking at the wanton destruction taking place in my country.
On August 30, 2020 at 7:35 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@Elmo,
Y’all go to the links I provide.
It’s here:
https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/08/28/the-southern-preposterous-lie-center-strikes-again/
On August 30, 2020 at 7:41 pm, Elmo said:
Dang Herschel. I had forgotten you had posted that. It’s hard to keep up these days.
The short bald 5’3″ child molester and arsonist was not a very good boy in prison, was he?