God Is “No Concern Of This Congress”
BY Herschel Smith
3 years, 9 months ago
FRC.
There were a lot of powerful arguments against the Equality Act, but Rep. Greg Steube (R-Fla.) resorted to the ultimate authority: the Bible. During an intense debate on the House floor, the Florida representative said it was time for his colleagues to hear the truth about the transgender issue. But Democrats aren’t interested in the truth — or God. And far-Left radical Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) didn’t mind saying so.
“‘A woman must not wear men’s clothing nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this,'” Steube read from Deuteronomy 22:5. But let’s be clear, he said. “It’s not clothing or personal style that offends God, but rather the use of one’s appearance to act out or take on a sexual identity different from the one biologically assigned by God at birth.” What’s happening when men, women, and children do that, Steube said, is that “they’re making a statement that God didn’t know what He was doing when he created them.” And if Congress supports that — by passing extreme transgender bills like the Equality Act — then this country is “go[ing] directly against what is laid out in scripture.”
Democrats, irate that the Florida congressman dared to quote the word of God on the House floor, unleashed on Steube. Everyone from Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) to Katherine Clark (D-Mass.), shamed him for being transphobic and intolerant. But it was Congressman Nadler’s response that was the most shocking and revealing. “Mr. Steube,” he said pointedly, “what any religious tradition describes as God’s will is no concern of this Congress.”
God scoffs at his arrogance.
It sounds like it might be time for imprecatory prayers against this man.
On March 2, 2021 at 2:21 am, Levi Garrett said:
I agree with your sentiments, Herschel (and those of the FL representative). Not to nitpick Mr. Steube’s speech, but wouldn’t it be more accurate to say, “…biologically assigned by God at CONCEPTION.”?
On March 2, 2021 at 4:29 am, robert said:
I fear for Mr Nadlers soul . Too bad he doesn’t but “you are snared by the words of your mouth oh man”.
On March 2, 2021 at 7:41 am, Mark Matis said:
Mr. Nadler is tribe. His Messiahs, like so many of his bruthas and sistas therein, are Lenin and Stalin!!!
On March 2, 2021 at 9:01 am, ragman said:
robert: I respectfully disagree. Nadler has no soul. He is pure, focused evil as are many from “the tribe”. I won’t say what I really think of him out of respect for the Captain and this forum.
On March 2, 2021 at 9:41 am, Bob in NC said:
“It sounds like it might be time for imprecatory prayers against this man.”
My flesh would like nothing better than to be able to do this, but the Lord commands us to pray for our enemies, and those who spitefully use/abuse us to repent and come to Christ.
As difficult and distasteful as this is, we don’t get to pick which scriptures we obey. It helps me to remember that God loves Nadler and his ilk as much as he does me, and that He desires all to repent and be saved.
So I am forced to set aside my nausea and leave justice and vengeance in the hand of God.
On March 2, 2021 at 9:57 am, Gary M Steffen said:
While the ignoring of God has been somewhat gradual in this nation, the advent of Roe v. Wade accelerated the US becoming a Godless nation. The murder and sacrifice of the unborn seems considerably more heinous than cross-dressing deviants. I realize that in God’s eyes sin is sin, but our government clearly does not even recognize sin.
I will pray for ALL of them, albeit with difficulty, but then the Lord knows my heart.
On March 2, 2021 at 9:58 am, SGT.BAG said:
” Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and Despair ! ”
Ozymandias (Shelley) 1818
On March 2, 2021 at 10:11 am, blake said:
Roman 11:8
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes to see not and ears to hear not,
Down to this very day.”
NASB
On March 2, 2021 at 10:12 am, Herschel Smith said:
@Bob in NC,
I think you’re confusing whom we might call our enemies with God’s enemies.
1 John 5:16. David prayed imprecatory prayers against God’s enemies. David was not sinful for doing that.
https://tabletalkmagazine.com/article/2019/03/can-pray-imprecatory-prayers/
On March 2, 2021 at 10:16 am, blake said:
@ Bob in NC
I hear you.
I regularly have to pray for forgiveness, because I honestly hate most of our elected officials along with almost all of media.
On March 2, 2021 at 10:18 am, blake said:
Great link, Herschel, thank you.
On March 2, 2021 at 10:33 am, JoeFour said:
Bob in NC said, “It helps me to remember that God loves Nadler and his ilk as much as he does me…”
Oh, please! Give me a frigging break! God doesn’t love evil! Nadler and his ilk are in league with Satan and are damned to hell!
On March 2, 2021 at 10:47 am, blake said:
@ JoeFour: Paul persecuted Christians and had them put to death. Paul was also present when Stephen was stoned to death and heartily agreed with what was done.
Yet, look how Paul was redeemed.
Then, there is the thief on the cross next to Jesus who admitted his sins and was forgiven. Although, thief is not really correct because he was much worse than what seems to be implied.
On March 2, 2021 at 11:09 am, Herschel Smith said:
@blake,
What you’re saying sounds dangerously close to unitarian, universalist doctrine.
Christ came to save His own, not everyone in the world. God is not the father of everyone in the world, otherwise Christ could not have said to the Pharisees, “You are of your father the devil.”
And finally, don’t forget that David prayed imprecatory prayers against God’s enemies.
On March 2, 2021 at 11:29 am, blake said:
@Herschel, maybe we just let this one slide?
As an aside, I would mention my favorite, and most humbling, holiday is approaching rapidly. It still gives me chills that Christ was obedient unto death and died on the cross for our sins.
Oh, and I give Congressman Steube a ton of credit for using the Bible to call out Congress.
On March 2, 2021 at 11:46 am, JoeFour said:
@blake
Nadler and his ilk have hardened hearts of pure, unadulterated evil.
They are unrepentant, unredeemed, and glory in their sin and unrighteousness.
They are an army of little anti-christs working tirelessly to turn God’s created order upside down, bring about the end-of-days, and prepare the world for the arrival and rule of a one-world government headed by Satan himself.
On March 2, 2021 at 11:49 am, Sisu said:
@Herschel This “current events” post and your (and others’) comment(s) useful in reconciling this further offense by Nadler. I add the following for consideration –
Excerpt from Matthew Henry’s Commentary (at Biblegateway.com – 1 John 5:16)
3. We cannot pray that the sins of the impenitent and unbelieving should, while they are such, be forgiven them, or that any mercy of life or soul, that suppose the forgiveness of sin, should be granted to them, while they continue such. But we may pray for their repentance (supposing them but in the common case of the impenitent world), for their being enriched with faith in Christ, and thereupon for all other saving mercies.
4. In case it should appear that any have committed the irremissible blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, and the total apostasy from the illuminating convictive powers of the Christian religion, it should seem that they are not to be prayed for at all. For what remains but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, to consume such adversaries? Heb. 10:27. And these last seem to be the sins chiefly intended by the apostle by the name of sins unto death. Then,
5. The apostle seems to argue that there is sin that is not unto death; thus, All unrighteousness is sin (1 John 5:17); but, were all unrighteousness unto death (since we have all some unrighteousness towards God or man, or both, in omitting and neglecting something that is their due), then we were all peremptorily bound over to death, and, since it is not so (the Christian brethren, generally speaking, having right to life), there must be sin that is not to death. Though there is no venial sin (in the common acceptation), there is pardoned sin, sin that does not involve a plenary obligation to eternal death. If it were not so, there could be no justification nor continuance of the justified state. The gospel constitution or covenant abbreviates, abridges, or rescinds the guilt of sin.
And, for the likes of Biden, Pelosi et al – Matthew Henry shares:
V. Having mentioned these means of establishment, the apostle proceeds, in the close of the chapter, to enforce his exhortations to perseverance, and against apostasy, by many very weighty considerations, Heb. 10:26, 27
1. From the description he gives of the sin of apostasy. It is sinning wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, sinning wilfully against that truth of which we have had convincing evidence. This text has been the occasion of great distress to some gracious souls; they have been ready to conclude that every wilful sin, after conviction and against knowledge, is the unpardonable sin: but this has been their infirmity and error. The sin here mentioned is a total and final apostasy, when men with a full and fixed will and resolution despise and reject Christ, the only Saviour,—despise and resist the Spirit, the only sanctifier,—and despise and renounce the gospel, the only way of salvation, and the words of eternal life; and all this after they have known, owned, and professed, the Christian religion, and continue to do so obstinately and maliciously. This is the great transgression: the apostle seems to refer to the law concerning presumptuous sinners, Num. 15:30, 31. They were to be cut off.
On March 2, 2021 at 12:16 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@blake,
“maybe we just let this one slide?”
I’m not sure what that means. It is a worthy investment of my time and effort to teach sound, orthodox Christian doctrine.
1) The scriptures cannot be broken. They do not contradict themselves. They are infallible.
2) David prayed imprecatory prayers. There is no indication that this was sin. To the contrary, God honored those prayers.
3) Therefore, it is not a sin to pray imprecatory prayers.
This is a good syllogism, and it is irrefutable.
On March 2, 2021 at 12:42 pm, Ned said:
IMO, Nadler is a walking talking imprecation. I won’t be praying for him or his traitorous ilk.
On March 2, 2021 at 12:54 pm, Bob in NC said:
@ Herschel- I understand your point, but the OT was a different covenant, under which the Lord acted very differently.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:1-2 that God will judge men by the measure by which they have judged others. If we seek to destroy other people’s lives, God will judge us by that same scrutiny, intensity and unreasonableness. Note that He doesn’t give us a pass if the people are evil
In Luke 9:51-56 Jesus rebuked His disciples for wanting to destroy men’s lives.
In Matthew 23 Jesus harshly condemns the Pharisees, but He is simply listing their sins and the consequences as a warning. Can anyone honestly doubt that He wants them to be convicted, so they will repent and change their ways, rather than wanting them to be in Hell for eternity?
Paul is saying the same thing in Galatians 1:8-9; he would rather the false teachers be converted to the truth, but if they refuse, they will be accursed – by God, not by Paul. 2 Timothy 4:14 is another example of how Paul thought about his enemies: “Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works.” Paul still had the scars, but he was willing to trust that God would deal with Alexander.
@JoeFour – it is right for us to hate the things that God hates including evil. But I cannot ignore the fact that God wants us to pray that those in Satan’s grip turn and repent. The Lord Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5:44, “But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.” We are not commanded in the Holy Bible to pray for God to curse others, nor should we wish for anybody to burn in the fires of Hell. Instead, the Lord tells us to pray for our enemies and love them.
We ought to pray for their salvation. We ought to pray for God’s will to be done in their life, whether good or bad is God’s decision.
I long to see those whom God has determined are irredeemably wicked get what they have coming to them at the hands of a holy and righteous God – and He, not us, gets to decide who is beyond redemption.
On March 2, 2021 at 1:16 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@Bob in NC,
Be careful. The old covenant pointed to Christ in terms of signs and faith in what was to come, the new covenant points backwards to Christ in His finished work.
Biblical law (the moral law, or the ten commandments) and its follow-on case law to help explain the moral law and how it is to be applied, doesn’t pass away. The only thing that passes away is the ceremonial law.
See the WCF, the “general equity” of the case law is still valid.
Citing the example of David in the OT is a perfectly valid thing to do, unless one believes (the false) dispensationalist interpretation of the Bible.
On March 2, 2021 at 1:20 pm, blake said:
Sorry, I had to step away for a bit. Household maintenance waits for no one.
Herschel, I was approaching the Nadler issue while remembering that I was drunken drug addled SOB (pardon the language) for 20 of my 60+ years on this planet. Though, perhaps my actions were along the lines of Jonah fleeing GOD, which, by the way I find hilarious. My point being that I’m a latecomer to Christ compared to most.
I have no problem with imprecatory prayers and think the link provided is excellent.
As I was thinking through all this, the thought struck me: I believe Nadler has committed an unpardonable sin: He blaspheme for all to see and hear.
Your take?
And again, thank you for the robust discussion. I do appreciate it greatly.
On March 2, 2021 at 1:43 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@blake,
You were chosen from before the foundation of the world. How long ago that actualized in your life means nothing except as a reminder to give Him praise. You always belonged to Him.
On March 2, 2021 at 1:46 pm, Aesop said:
Meh.
The reciprocal is also true:
this Congress is no concern of God.
Which always comes with a price tag attached.
On March 2, 2021 at 8:28 pm, Jack said:
Nadler, has earned a shower
On March 2, 2021 at 9:48 pm, John said:
Mark 7:25-30
“For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and
came and fell at his feet:
The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would
cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the
children’s crumbs.
And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid
upon the bed.”
Mark described this to show that Jesus did not include the woman as one of God’s children
and refused her the cure for her daughter; comparing her and her’s to dogs yet she managed
to convinced him to do so.
I offer this to show that Nadler, after his rejection of God, loses the claim to be his child.
On March 2, 2021 at 11:49 pm, 41mag said:
https://youtu.be/-3_ALLadQ1M
Leave it to a man willing to crap his pants and not be ashamed, to do something shameful.
On March 3, 2021 at 12:37 am, The Wretched Dog said:
Herschel: I really appreciate your perspective and commentary. If you are not familiar with Joseph Boot’s “The Mission of God” I recommend it to you unreservedly.
https://www.amazon.com/Mission-God-Manifesto-Hope-Society/dp/0994727909
TWD
On March 3, 2021 at 2:48 am, Georgiaboy61 said:
Jerry Nadler is a noxious little specimen of a man, isn’t he? But at least he has the virtue, unintended I am certain, of spelling out precisely what leftism in 21st-century America means. And he demonstrates yet again the truth of Hannah Arendt’s comment (originally directed against SS-Obersturmbannführer Josef Eichmann, then on trial in Jerusalem c. 1961) about the “banality of evil,” i.e., how so unprepossessing of a man could be such a towering figure of evil.
On March 3, 2021 at 8:51 am, Drew in Michigan said:
Why does this remind me of Moses and Pharaoh, then God hardened his heart and still he would not relent!
And then it reminds me that nothing is as perfect as God’s revenge!
On March 3, 2021 at 11:01 am, JoeFour said:
@Bob in NC
You have missed my point entirely, abandoned common sense, and are wandering around in a theological rabbit hole having an entrance and no exit.
Let’s keep things simple — a bad man breaks into your home and is intent on murdering you and your whole family. (And, there’s no doubt he’s a bad guy because: (1) he has broken into your home — you didn’t invite him in for a Bible study; and (2) he’s screaming bloody murder announcing he’s going to kill everybody he can find.)
What are you going to do — pray for the bad man or fight him?
Now … consider in this fallen world the immediate and current reality that the bad man represents Nadler and all the other minions of the World Economic Forum who are pushing for the Great Reset/New World Order. Their goal is to turn God’s created order upside down and eliminate (i.e., murder) billions of people in the process including you, me, and our entire families.
On March 3, 2021 at 1:53 pm, Bob in NC said:
@ JoeFour
In your example the answer is obvious – I would shoot the intruder and probably lose no sleep over it- because I don’t believe that God values the intruder’s life any more than He does mine, even though He loves him just as much. At that point I cannot afford to consider that his soul is in peril – he made his choice and suffers the consequences.
I can see how the same principle applies to the Nadlers of the world. And believe me, I wish the answer was clearer for me. But the problem I have remains what the scriptures command us to do -to pray for those in authority over us whether they are evil scumbags or not, to pray for our enemies, etc. I can’t reconcile ignoring those commands because they are distasteful to me or make me uncomfortable.
The scriptures are supposed to make us uncomfortable -convict us – as well as comfort us.
On March 3, 2021 at 10:58 pm, JoeFour said:
@ Bob in NC
vaya con dios
peace
On March 5, 2021 at 10:12 am, Bob in NC said:
Thanks JoeFour – and ditto for you.
The days are very soon upon us when we will all be faced with some very hard choices- it has already happened in Canada to James Coates.
If you don’t know his story:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/19/james-coates-canadian-pastor-jailed-for-holding-ch/
https://globalnews.ca/news/7679003/edmonton-area-pastor-gracelife-church-bail-decision/
A brave committed Christian who is choosing to obey God rather than men. I pray that we will all be guided by the Lord when it happens to us.