Marines: In Quo Et Vos
BY Herschel Smith
3 years, 8 months ago
A U.S. Marine Corps unit’s Twitter account says it “messed up” in its comments while responding to Fox News host Tucker Carlson as part of a debate over his commentary about social justice initiatives in the U.S. Armed Forces.
The official account for the II Marine Expeditionary Force Information Group used a pejorative on social media in responding to Carlson’s recent statements on how the military should be focused more on adversaries and less on culture issues.
The Marines shared a picture of a female soldier carrying a male one and tagged Carlson, writing that the photo showed “what it looks like in today’s armed forces.”
“Get right before you get left, boomer,” the account said, using a word widely considered a pejorative term.
After intense pushback for using an official military account to slam a private citizen, the Marines unit wrote in tweets: “We are human and we messed up. What was intended as a tweet in support of our female Marines and sisters serving in uniform was clearly not aligned with our standard practices or an appropriate representation of the Marine Corps. We will do better and serve the people.
“We can do better and we will collectively take a knee, review our procedures and get back in the fight. Our focus is to train, fight and win and we have a hard time doing that without your support.”
[ … ]
Military leaders realize “there’s much, much more work to be done to ensure that women’s leadership is recognized and we have more diverse leaders” and that “all women feel safe and respected in our military,” Biden said. “Some of it is relatively straightforward work where we’re making good progress designing body armor that fits women properly; tailoring combat uniforms for women; creating maternity flight suits; updating—updating requirements for their hairstyles.”
After playing the clip, Carlson told viewers: “So we’ve got new hairstyles and maternity flight suits. Pregnant women are going to fight our wars. It’s a mockery of the U.S. Military. While China’s military becomes more masculine as it’s assembled the world’s largest navy, our military needs to become, as Joe Biden says, more feminine, whatever feminine means anymore since men and women no longer exist. The bottom line is, it’s out of control, and the Pentagon is going along with this.”
The segment drew criticism from Pentagon press secretary John Kirby, who told reporters that “the diversity of our military is one of our greatest strengths.”
“We are better and more effective not only when we represent the American people—all the American people—but also, when we have the moral courage to include other perspectives and ideas into our decision-making; perspectives that, as the secretary himself noted Monday, are based on lived experience.
[ … ]
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin “shares the revulsion of so many others to what Mr. Carlson said in his opening statement,” according to the press secretary.
Here is the post and some responses. The tweet sounds like a high school girl wrote it.
So aside from the notion of diversity being a strength in, say, mathematics or engineering or computer science or whatever, where physics governs processes, which I don’t think can be proven (but this is a difference discussion), let’s pose a challenge problem to the Marines.
Prove that diversity is a strength in the US Marine Corps? Prove it. Demonstrate categorically that sameness, the one intended end of all of the training my own son went through to ensure common goals, common tactics, techniques and procedures, and common devotion to duty and orders, shouldn’t have really been the goal after all.
Prove categorically that the US Marine Corps, who won multiple world wars, who has served honorably in countless other engagements, and who is the most feared strike and expeditionary force on earth, wasn’t really as good as they could be and would have been better with more diversity.
Oh, I see, you can’t. You’re just aping the actions and parroting the words of the controllers and current administration. If you’re not, and you really believe that diversity is a strength, you aren’t fit to lead because you can’t prove what you’re saying.
If you’re just aping the actions of your superiors, then you’re liars.
It isn’t necessary to rehearse the experience of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan where they placed women in combat roles and found a disproportionate number of lower extremity injuries, or the experience of Marine Corps infantry officer’s course at Quantico where every woman thus far has had several hip injuries or pelvic fractures.
We all know the truth regardless of the focus group wording you parrot. Repeat after me: There is no way that a woman can do the same physical things a man does. God designed it that way.
How far the Marine Corps has fallen. Shameful, loathsome and contemptible. I think your future adversaries will think the same thing.
On March 15, 2021 at 12:21 am, George 1 said:
I notice the Marines had to evoke the “Boomer” insult. Tucker is not a Boomer. Not even close.
On March 15, 2021 at 5:24 am, Dave Moore said:
“There is no way that a woman can do the same physical things a man does. ”
And conversely, there is no way a man, any man, can do the one physical thing that women can do, and upon which species survival depends: Conceive and carry a child in her womb, give birth, and feed it from her own body. Plus, men can be nurturing in many ways, but women are built for it, down to the smallest details, and have the emotional structure to do it by profound instinct.
Throwing them into battle is not only a good way to lose the battle, it’s a waste of that essential calling they were born to fulfill, and without which they are empty.
I’m sure there are exceptions; the one thing you can say about human personalities is that there are always exceptions. But that’s the way to bet if you want the human race to continue.
“Women are perishable, but men are disposable.” Women simply cannot afford to waste their youth in manly pursuits. Nor can we afford to waste their lives. One surviving man can impregnate a village; one surviving woman will die of gang rape.
Any culture that forgets these truths, that attempts to erase the essential differences between men and women, will sooner or later be overrun by a culture that has not forgotten. And that winning culture will not in any way be remotely civilized or even nice.
On March 15, 2021 at 9:26 am, George said:
The USMC, along with the army, navy, air force, national guard and every spec ops known to man, have been fighting a ragged group of 3rd world losers, who have no USMC, no navy, no airforce, no army, no national guard and no spec ops at all for OVER TWENTY YEARS.
Someone, somewhere, has to blow the whistle and bang some heads together.
This shit ain’t working.
On March 15, 2021 at 9:34 am, DTG said:
The US Military complex, short of nuclear exchanges (and I’m not too sure about that) is going to get it’s ass handed to it in a major conflict. I saw the seeds of this taking root before I retired in the mid-90’s. “Gender Norming,” – the abhorrent policy of awarding female service members the same achievement that males received for doing less work, along with ensuring a certain number of females were promoted along with their male counterparts under the same principle.
Now it seems those roots have grown into a massive tree trunk that’s fallen on all the branches of the military and has crushed it into a mere shadow of what it once was…
God have mercy on us.
On March 15, 2021 at 10:21 am, Matt Bracken said:
“The Marines shared a picture of a female soldier carrying a male one and tagged Carlson…”
Not true. She is carrying a FEMALE Marine. Zooming in on her hair shows it’s long hair, tied back, meaning FEMALE.
Here is a meme I created from a photo showing a ruck march in regular uniforms only, no body armor, no weapons, just big rucks. Not even covers/hats.
The two females at the back are carrying nada on their backs. Two of the men up front are carrying double rucks, that is, they are carrying the female Marines’ rucks on top of their own rucks, probably taking turns with other men.
Somebody pointed out to me that on these training evolutions, everyone must finish together, hence the women are just marching, and some of the men are marching with double ruck loads. This is paradigmatic of women in combat: they are just no-loads.
Here is the meme:
https://i.imgur.com/tQYsMXZ.jpg
On March 15, 2021 at 10:32 am, Bram said:
DTG – I saw the seeds of it in Desert Shield / Storm. Non-combat units with women had all kinds of problems. Blatant fraternization, prostitution (yes), women being sent home pregnant every week – some married and deployed for months nowhere near the husband. Our Scouts used their night vision scopes to watch a male and female MP’s having sex while they were supposed to be guarding the perimeter of the First Marine Division base camp. (Both were arrested and sent to the rear for court-martial). It was a complete mess and would have had serious implications in a conflict against a first-world opponent.
Speaking to young Marines, Marine Combat Training is now co-ed and a complete joke. When I did it in 1989 it was the toughest physical challenge of my life. A forced-march every other day – 20 to 30 miles with weapons and gear. The last day was a 40-mile march. Now they are going to make Boot Camp co-ed and that will make future Marines essentially worthless.
On March 15, 2021 at 10:35 am, Tom W. said:
Jessica Lynch, Shoshana Johnson and GI Jane were unavailable for comment.
On March 15, 2021 at 10:50 am, Ranger Up said:
Looking at the picture of a female Marine carrying another female Marine with an empty ammo can for 25 meters doesn’t impress me. It makes me think they are phony fools trying to convince everyone they are equal. But they’re not and never will be.
On March 15, 2021 at 10:58 am, Frank Clarke said:
Men provide muscle mass and DNA; women create civilization. When you screw that up, the results are fatal.
On March 15, 2021 at 11:00 am, SGT.BAG said:
Wet Nurses not Warriors. How pathetic my beloved Corps has become.
UNSAT !!!!!
On March 15, 2021 at 11:30 am, Sean said:
Somewhere, The Chinese General Staff is watching this tempest in a teacup, and thinking: Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.
On March 15, 2021 at 11:56 am, Georgiaboy61 said:
Re: “Prove categorically that the US Marine Corps, who won multiple world wars, who has served honorably in countless other engagements, and who is the most feared strike and expeditionary force on earth, wasn’t really as good as they could be and would have been better with more diversity.”
The irascible Fred Reed, who was a Marine infantryman during the Vietnam era and saw plenty of combat during that war, has for years now proposed the following test to separate the wheat from the chaff, vis-a-vis men versus women in the ground combat arms. I’m working from memory, but if I recall correctly, it went something like the following:
Form two companies of Marines, one all-male, one all-female. Outfit them with a standard load of 782 (field) gear, including everything needed for a LRRP – food, water, shelter, comms gear, first aid, navigational aids (maps, compass), individual and crew-served weapons and ammunition, K-Bar knife, entrenching tool, sat phones, and so forth.
Conduct an overnight ten-mile ruck march to arrival at the objective, then dig in and prepare a dawn ambush for approaching enemy forces. Without sleep or hot food, prepare individual fighting positions, set perimeter security and OPs/LPs, emplace weapons, etc.
When the ambush has been done, immediately exfiltrate your forces on foot back to a pre-determined RV point, packing out all of your gear, weapons and equipment – as well as any wounded/dead.
To date, care to guess how many female Marines and feminists have taken up Reed’s challenge? Precisely zero. Gee, wonder why that could be?
On March 15, 2021 at 11:59 am, George True said:
When I was going through OCS at Quantico in 1979, there was one platoon of female officer candidates. This was still many years before the Marine Corps allowed women in any combat MOS. These particular women, if they graduated, were all bound for support jobs – computers, payroll, motor pool, aviation maintenance, and the like. So it was understood that even though they were physically substandard, it ultimately did not matter, as they would never be anywhere near any actual combat.
And were they ever substandard. Even though these were presumably the best women candidates the Corps could attract at the time, they simply could not measure up by any objective standard. Most of them could not do even one actual pull-up. They could not perform actual push-ups – they were allowed to do ‘modified’ push-ups from their knees vs from their feet. Even their sit-ups were allowed to be modified. The strongest among them were far weaker than the weakest men who got washed out.
They did not participate in our regular six mile runs. (They did their own three mile runs, and in pathetically poor times.) And on marches with light gear (cammie utilities, boots, helmet, web belt, and rifle) they just dropped like flies – they kept our Navy Corpsmen quite busy. And this was in the Fall, so the weather was not hot – daytime temperatures in the 60’s and 70’s.
These women also had a very high rate of injury – from what I was able to see there appeared to be at least one woman for every two men on daily sick call. That doesn’t sound bad until you stop to consider that in my OCS class in the Autumn of 1979 there were five platoons of men and one platoon of women. So that would translate into an injury rate that was three times higher than the men.
The fact that today women like this are being graduated from recruit training is nauseating to think about. And the fact that they are also being graduated from OCS as commissioned officers and put in command authority over men in combat units is nothing short of alarming. It is also undoubtedly a morale crushed. Imagine how galling it must be to an enlisted Marine to have a female CO or XO who he KNOWS has never met the standards that he is required to meet.
I have read the reports from the tests that were conducted at Twenty-Nine Palms comparing men to women. I have also read about the Army’s experience with women in Ranger training. Bottom line, from a purely physical standpoint, they do not belong there. This will not end well. When and if our Marine Corps and Army ever go up against a peer or near-peer adversary where real, actual ground combat is involved, we are going to get a much overdue lesson about fantasy versus reality.
On March 15, 2021 at 12:08 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
@ Dave Moore
“Women are perishable, but men are disposable.”
Only a sick and morally-confused civilization sends its women – especially its young women of child-bearing age – into battle, when there are men to go in their place.
A man dying in combat is tragic, but a woman dying in combat who needn’t have been there in the first place – is an affront to every value our civilization once held dear.
Arguments about whether women are suitable for military service based upon their physical qualifications, have already surrendered the high ground to the enemy, namely the civilizational/moral arguments against women in the armed forces, and in particular in the combat arms.
Traditional man that I am, I would prefer as few women in the military as possible, and the ones who do join would be confined to their traditional rear-area support and medical roles. However, failing that, at least segregate male and female personnel by sex to the extent possible, which is what the Soviets did during WWII, when they had to call up large numbers of women when their national survival was on the line. That keeps everyone honest and focused on the mission and not the extracurricular stuff.
On March 15, 2021 at 12:21 pm, Gunny Facepalms in Valhalla said:
Set up to be conquered thanks to a long marching fifth column of dopey faculty lounge Satanic freaks gripping their dogeared copies of Das Kapital and saying…it’s gonna work this time because muh Sheena the fierce wymyns warrior.
Fundamentally destroyed with no chance of any future for the representative republic model.
Save yourself and your loved ones, you don’t have any other option.
Don’t waste time on Frankenfood buffet destroying teevee dullards and other zombies and be ready for battle at any time and place.
On March 15, 2021 at 12:32 pm, pyrrhus said:
“God have mercy on us”….why would He do that?
On March 15, 2021 at 12:59 pm, Boat Guy said:
“… the most feared strike and expeditionary force on earth ”
I don’t think present tense is applicable here; and hasn’t been for some time. This assessment is based on 46 years in DoD in uniform and in civvies.
On March 15, 2021 at 1:12 pm, SemperFi, 0321 said:
In the early-mid 70’s I don’t remember seeing any WM’s except as clerks at mainside, and 1 officer MP. They all wore skirts back then, no utilities (dungarees/fatigues).
When I was TAD at AmphibReconSchool Little Creek VA, the Navy was just integrating some women into the boat crews (landing craft). An old chief was bitching half the women never showed up for work, they were at sick bay for female problems, so every day he had to re-assign boat crews.
I’m seeing the same issues with the college kids during the summer archaeology trips, and whenever I get on someone for slacking off, they all become apologists for their weaker links. Most of the young men are soy boys, in spite of their manly tattoos all over, and the women too. I’m told to stop being so critical, but I compare my 18 yr old self to their 22 yr olds and they are way behind the curve, they’re a fuk’n failure. No child left behind…..yup.
On March 15, 2021 at 1:36 pm, scott s. said:
When DH Mahan created the military academy, his goal was to create a “habit of thought” in his officers. The idea was that you would not have to wonder about what another officer was thinking. For me, that’s important in light of Boyd’s “OODA loop”, in particular the “orientation” phase. In order to orient, you have to respond to your observations in a consistent way across the force. I don’t see any role for “diversity”.
My wife retired as a Navy captain and has no use for “diversity”, “lived experience”,”intersectionality”, or any of this other cultural marxist/critical theory BS. (When she was a young officer, there was 1 woman captain line officer in the entire Navy. The woman assigned would serve a two year tour and then have to retire, so someone else could have a shot at it.)
I’m in the local army (25th Inf Div) gym 3 days a week. I see some tough women in there (but not benching 300 or any thing like that). But of course these are a self-selecting minority who are motivated to work out.
On March 15, 2021 at 1:45 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@scott s.,
They’re built differently, thankfully, as God gave us.
Their hips are wider, thus they have hip injuries and pelvic fractures carrying the same amount of weight. They’re shorter. They weigh less. Bone density is different. And on and on we could go.
More, I’ve discussed this with my son before. The fitness tests are almost a stupid metric to tell if you’re able to survive in MC infantry. The issue isn’t whether you can do a set of exercises in a row for short bursts.
He told me a better metric would be this: can you go without sleep for 48 hours, no food for 48 hours, and then pick up artillery shells for the next four hours and TURN with them to hand them to someone else, or load them, or move them, or whatever.
Yes, he had to do that in Iraq, as well as carry full body armor, 100+ pounds of kit, and a SAW along with replacement SAW drums.
On March 15, 2021 at 2:29 pm, Jack Holmes said:
The democrats are foisting the info to use women in the service, who want to be there, to cover for the charlie sierra democrat males who are less mentally capable than the women. There has always been a need for canon fodder. Male democrats have traditionally fulfilled this role. Sending women in harms way is sooooo wrong, in every way. Man Up, democrat males! Oh wait, democrat males, manning up, is a conflict of terms.
On March 15, 2021 at 2:46 pm, Elder Son said:
Want to prove the effectiveness of women in combat? Create an all female Division. Give them all the compliments of a full Division – minus men. Then send them to Afghanistan. After removing all the men from Afghanistan. Maybe to Ukraine against the Russians, since we seem to be heading that way. Or, Syria.
It will never happen. And we know why it won’t happen.
On March 15, 2021 at 3:22 pm, PsychoUSMC said:
Never in my wildest dreams did it ever occur to me that I would ever be ashamed to have served in the Marine Corps. They seem to be doing their best to make that scenario a reality.
It’s disgraceful and they should all be discharged.
On March 15, 2021 at 4:55 pm, SemperFi, 0321 said:
@PsychoUSMC;
What do you expect from a bunch of men raised by Mr. Rogers?
The Bolsheviks have been brainwashing and sabotaging this nation for over 100 yrs and now we see the results of the last 40 yrs of Hollywood feminist upbringing. Soy boys and big clit females who want to prove they’re men.
On March 15, 2021 at 5:57 pm, The Black Death said:
The cancerous effects of this emerging feminization were clear years ago when it became obvious that we would no longer do what must be done (e.g. “drop the bomb”) to win wars. We – the culture – began to prefer the kumbaya approach, the Rodney King strategy. We are doomed.
On March 15, 2021 at 6:01 pm, Bath said:
Devildog from 1963 To 1970 stopped Chesty Puller,s house
In Virginia and had a drink with him. I will never forget what he told us if an Airdale ever becomes a Commandant that will be the end of the Marine Corps
Low and behold here comes gen amos better known by the troops as gen anus. Also women marines were called BAMS. I am proud of every minute I was a United States Marine
On March 15, 2021 at 7:08 pm, DingDong said:
I was in the Air Force for four years. I got out in 1991. When I went to NCO school they made us do jazzercise every day for PT training. I fucking hated them. Fucking hated them.
On March 15, 2021 at 7:42 pm, NorthGunner said:
RE: The beach picture:
Somebody cue in AeroSmith’s “Dude looks like a lady!”
The Chinese have got to be laughing their asses off at us;
and I for one couldn’t blame them!
The recruiting video is very good,…smooth and to the point!
Considering that America HAS been under Globalist jewish bolshevik
Bankster control for over a century, not surprised to see it openly
becoming the FUSSA….
Cantonese or Mandarin anyone?….
NorthGunner – The Truth Is It’s OWN Defense!
On March 15, 2021 at 8:10 pm, NorthGunner said:
Here’s the topic thread that links to the Chinese recruitment video:
https://westernrifleshooters.us/2021/03/15/bracken-sends-45/
Sorry for any confusion.
NorthGunner – The Truth Is It’s OWN Defense!
On March 15, 2021 at 8:24 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
@ Herschel
Re: “He told me a better metric would be this: can you go without sleep for 48 hours, no food for 48 hours, and then pick up artillery shells for the next four hours and TURN with them to hand them to someone else, or load them, or move them, or whatever.”
Speaking badly, i.e., truthfully, about the new, all-volunteer coed force structure has been a career-ender for many years now dating back at least to Tailhook in the 1990s. For at least that long, the Pentagon/DOD have been lying to the American people about the effectiveness of the current force structure, and doing their best to “disappear” any data which would tend to reflect poorly on women in uniform.
For those interested, three books paint a damning portrait of the AVF/coed military. Two of the works are somewhat older, and oriented to the 1990s and early 2000s, whereas one is up-to-date as of the mid-2000s.
“Women in the Military” Flirting with Disaster” (1997) by Brian Mitchell
“The Kinder Gentler Military: Can America’s Gender-Neutral Fighting Force Still Win Wars?” (2000) by Stephanie Guttman
“Co-ed Combat: The New Evidence That Women Shouldn’t Fight the Nation’s Wars” (2007) by Kingsley Browne
Mitchell is a former Marine; Guttman is a reporter; Browne is a scientist and law professor.
Despite two of the works being by non-military authors, all are worthwhile books that do an excellent job examining the subject matter. In these books, a great many serving personnel and former (veteran) military – some anonymously for fear of their careers – balance the scales concerning the good, bad and the ugly of the new coed force structure, and it isn’t a pretty picture.
Getting back to your son’s observation, Herschel, ask him what happens whenever there is heavy physical labor to be done around the depot, FOB or encampment, meaning what do the women do when there are six-by-sixes to be unloaded or a tank tread needs changing and it comes time to “break track” on a 68-ton Abrams tank?
One of the many discouraging facts about the new, female-friendly military I learned from references listed above is that back in the 1980s, when women first started showing up in large numbers in Army basic training, is that Big Green changed their instruction and proficiency testing for the use of fragmentation grenades. Why? Because almost none of the women could pass the grenade throw portion of training, wherein the recruit is required to demonstrate mastery of grenade use.
Traditionally, the test involved the recruit preparing the weapon to be thrown, breaking cover to throw it, and making an accurate-enough throw to destroy/disable the target without harm to himself.
The men usually made the throw overhand due to the distance involved. However it was soon discovered that almost no women recruits possessed the strength/coordination to throw the grenade the required distance with sufficient accuracy to (a) destroy/disable the target, or (b) escape the blast cone of the weapon.
Rather than admit this unpleasant reality and adjust personnel policies accordingly, the brass instead took the coward’s way out and lied that the female recruits were doing fine, and then they quietly changed the grenade training syllabus to make it easier for women to pass. They shortened the distance the armed grenade was to be tossed, and also allowed the recruits to make a short under-hand toss over a low wall.
That’s how the Pentagon/DOD and the service chiefs lied to the public about the coed military, and thus set the pattern of deception, lies of omission and half-truths has been going on now for thirty years or more.
Don’t even get me started about how hard of a time female personnel have racking back the action on a medium (GPMG) or heavy machine gun! Yet, they are being rated as “proficient” in their use.
Pray for peace, folks, because if it comes to war against a peer or near-peer opponent, we’re going to be in trouble.
On March 15, 2021 at 9:31 pm, wojtek said:
Well, if these Marines knew math, they’d also know that an example is not a proof.
On March 15, 2021 at 9:52 pm, SemperFi, 0321 said:
Wait until the rest of the world decides they’ve had enough of the US’s bullshit, Kursk or Stalingrad will seem like a warm up game. and the USMC won’t be there to save them.
You’ve seen those pics of Germans who shot themselves rather than become Soviet prisoners?, something tells me it will be way worse here.
On March 15, 2021 at 10:30 pm, Quietus said:
@Semper Fi 0321: You say something tells you it will be ‘way worse here? Something tells me that you’re right.
On March 15, 2021 at 11:33 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
@ George True
Re: “They did not participate in our regular six mile runs. (They did their own three mile runs, and in pathetically poor times.) And on marches with light gear (cammie utilities, boots, helmet, web belt, and rifle) they just dropped like flies – they kept our Navy Corpsmen quite busy. And this was in the Fall, so the weather was not hot – daytime temperatures in the 60’s and 70’s.”
If memory serves, at some point along the line, the services quit old-school realistic and hard training in utilities and combat boots, in favor of allowing recruits to wear PT clothing, namely gym shorts, tops and trainers (running shoes). The rationale offered at the time was injury prevention and greater effectiveness in PT. In reality, it was done partly as a sop to the feminists and the women in the services, to make life easier for them.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to reduce/eliminate training injuries, and lost-time due to them. And going back as far as WWII, even some elite units trained in athletic clothes part of the time, and fatigues/utilities at other times.
However, what is new is the idea that performance in gym clothes and trainers is in any way equivalent to that in boots and field clothing. It isn’t – and we used to know that. In general, the more-realistic and like actual operations training can be, the better off the troops will be. Train as you intend to fight isn’t just a slogan, it is a time-tested truism about warfare. Those watering down recruiting/training standards aren’t doing anyone any favors – male or female.
The typical Pentagon/DOD bait-and-switch PR and “You go girl!” propaganda is in play here, no surprise. Suzie Snowflake may weigh all of 105lbs. but she is in good shape and can run like the wind, do crunches all day, and otherwise presents the sort of 21st-century pro-women image the Pentagon wants before the public. Look, she can even beat some of the young men in the timed run! Isn’t “equality” grand?
Proponents of women in the armed forces cherry-pick the data by selecting out women who perform well on the PFT in their gym clothes and training shoes, and hold them up as “proof” that women are the equals of men in terms of military physical fitness. The trouble is, it is all a politically-correct fable, a comfortable lie told by military public relations to assure the public that our military is in the best of hands.
What happens to her performance when you have her do her PT in the clothing she’ll actually wear in the field? What happens when you ask her to carry something besides herself? The vast majority of males can handle the switch; the vast majority of females cannot.
Many books have been written on the anatomical/physiological differences between men and women, both generally and as they pertain to military service. I won’t comment further on them here except to say that as a life scientist, the research is open-and-shut and conclusive. And there is a veritable mountain of it.
Physically-speaking, men make better war-fighters. Nature has designed men to hunt, build and to fight, whereas nature designed women to sire and raise children. Of course, these days, just mentioning such self-evident truths is enough to see you banished from polite society. That’s how far down the rabbit hole we’ve gone.
Private Snowflake may be a great gal, a splendid person who is hard-working, patriotic, and driven to excel. There is nothing wrong with those things. The problem is that the gods of war do not care about political-correctness, women’s rights, sexual parity or those sorts of things. Nor do they care about Ms. Snowflake.
Where human beings are concerned, war is the most-Darwinian environment on earth. It breaks even the strongest and fittest of men eventually, and those who are marginally fit or unfit, should not expect to survive long on the battlefield.
Private Snowflake may do great in carefully-controlled PT back in the barracks, but what about in field gear, when she is dirty, hasn’t slept or bathed in several days, and is exhausted and hungry? If she can’t lift and carry an 80mm mortar round or some MG ammo very far in barracks, how do you think she is going to do in the field, under real-world operational conditions?
If she can’t cut it, it means some male soldier or Marine has to do twice the work he normally would do, which places him under greater stress, hastens his fatigue, and reduces his efficiency and effectiveness. And if that mortar position or machine-gun is depending on the personnel tasked with supplying it with ammunition, and they can’t get it forward quickly-enough, guess what happens? Battles get lost and people die, that’s what happens.
And even on those occasions when women perform up to standard, there is still another problem, one not so easily solved by Pentagon PR: The mere presence of females in heretofore all-male units is destructive of the unit cohesion, trust, and esprit de corps so vital to effective military units, especially effective combat units.
As Kingsley Browne, the author of “Coed Combat: The New Evidence Women Should Not Fight Our Nation’s Wars,” a book highly-critical of the coed force structure, puts it: “The strength of the wolf is the pack – and the pack is male.”
On March 16, 2021 at 4:22 pm, Bath said:
The Marine Corps fighter pilot who claimed she had 3 children while on active duty I wonder how many deployments she missed and someone else had to take her place.
On March 16, 2021 at 6:31 pm, Ghost Who Walks said:
>The strongest among them were far weaker than the weakest men who got washed out.
Women do NOT belong in the military, not in any branch, not in any capacity. Period. The average 68 year old male, half broken down from a career of hard work, could put *any* woman “Marine” on the ground in very short order. What on earth are these deluded harridans planning on doing against the PLA, and who is responsible for turning the American armed forces into Miss Barbara’s Ding Dong Nursery School? I’m just asking for a friend.
On March 16, 2021 at 10:36 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
@ Ghost Who Walks
Re: “What on earth are these deluded harridans planning on doing against the PLA, and who is responsible for turning the American armed forces into Miss Barbara’s Ding Dong Nursery School? I’m just asking for a friend.”
Who is responsible? Well, all of those general/flag officers back in the day, the ones who’d actually been in combat or done multiple deployments ashore or afloat, who knew that putting women into places they don’t belong was just about the worst idea in the whole long history of bad ideas…. those guys, who knew it was wrong, but went with the program anyway. They’re to blame. And their high-ranking colleagues who also failed to stand up to protect the institution of the armed forces when the chips were down.
To a man, those guys should have stood on tabletops and told anyone who would listen – including Congress – how idiotic and dangerous those ideas were. They should have resigned en-mass instead of consenting to the corruption of the forces they were supposed to be leading. They should have gone on TV to warn the public, and so on. They didn’t… and neither did too many of their successors over the next thirty years. So here we are today….
And don’t bother to say “But the military takes orders from civilians”… yes, but when those orders are dangerous and/or foolhardy, it is the duty of the senior leadership to raise holy heck about it. To its credit, the retired military community has had plenty of people step forward to do that, but alas they don’t have a whole lot of pull inside the beltway.
On March 16, 2021 at 11:03 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
@ Ghost Who Walks
Re: “Women do NOT belong in the military, not in any branch, not in any capacity. Period. The average 68 year old male, half broken down from a career of hard work, could put *any* woman “Marine” on the ground in very short order.”
Yep, that’s the cold hard truth right there.
“Gender-norming” is what the Pentagon/DOD call the handicapping system used to pencil-whip female PT data into parity with male data. It specifies in detail the performance standards a given recruit or member of the particular service must meet in his/her annual physical fitness testing, in order to be considered adequate for duty or better. Times for the timed run, number of reps for push-ups, sit-ups and pull-ups, etc. ranging from the highest (100%) score on down to the minimum passing level.
If you examine the physical requirements for female soldiers in the army, they are equivalent to those for much older men. In other words, in order to “max out” her PT score, that female must perform at a level equivalent to a man in his fifties.
I am a black-belt level martial artist with years of training in multiple styles, and substantial experience not just as a student, but as an instructor. Hapkido, the Korean martial art, is where my greatest proficiency lies, but I have also done judo, karate, and both Japanese and Brazilian styles of jujitsu. In all of my years experience, I have never seen a female beat a teenaged or older male in hand-to-hand combat. That’s regardless of her expertise, rank, or other mitigating factor.
Female students sometimes beat boys, which is to say pre-pubescent males – but once the guys reach puberty and they begin to become men, it’s all over. And the vast majority of the time, it isn’t even close. The males just enjoy too-decisive an advantage in strength, aggression, and toughness for the gals to do much.
I’ve never met or seen one in person, but there are female martial artists who are capable of beating men, but they are so rare as to be statistically-insignificant.
A brief anecdote illustrates the divide which opens by the time our young people reach high-school age. Weapons defense, i.e., techniques for use against an attacker with a knife or a handgun, are part of our curriculum. We use realistic-looking plastic/rubber guns and knives as our props.
When it comes time to do such training, the guys in the school invariably get all amped up about it, they are so enthusiastic that we – the instructors – often have to restrain them a bit so they don’t hurt each other or lose focus. The gals, on the other hand, are generally a picture of grim determination, if not actual concern or even fear. We do our best to create a comfortable learning environment, but not at the expense of realistic training.
Bottom line is that many of our female students drop the program around this time. It is as if they suddenly realize just what it is they are actually training to do. One student, a popular and well-liked young woman, actually burst into tears upon seeing the fake knives and handguns.
On March 16, 2021 at 11:10 pm, SemperFi, 0321 said:
It’s not really important who’s doing this today, but ((who))) started the whole breakdown of our society?
Who has been pushing the entire anti-white christian agenda, the lying about history, the porch monkey music, the queers and misfits on TV/movies and making women the superior sex, etc, etc? Doesn’t take a genius to read the names and figure it all out, once you get past your denial. Look up all the authors of women’s lib, and queer psychology, fake history, the TV directors since the 60-70’s, the record labels that have been pushing black music and every other thing tearing down white society and idolizing the lower IQ levels. Who owns and controls the majority of those business’s?
It’s not all Cohencidence.
On March 17, 2021 at 4:43 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
@ Semper Fi, 0321
It is common knowledge on the internet, that (( )) is a synonym for Jewish, yes, so lets dispense with the nonsense and speak plainly, shall we?
Let us stipulate that supremacist movements, whatever their origin, are wrong. Movements which seek to deny others their humanity and turn them into something less than that. Movements which seek to scapegoat and persecute others who have done no wrong. This is true no less of Jewish supremacism than it is of Islamic or national socialist or communist supremacism.
In other words, if there are Jews doing what you accuse them of doing, then they ought to be held to account for it. They ought to be identified and censured in public, in the light of day. If they have committed crimes, they ought to stand before the bar of justice. At the very least, make their acts a part of the public record.
Here’s the thing, though: Vague statements about “The Jews” or using (( )) – do nothing to remedy the problem, if indeed it exists in the first place. All they do is make the accusers look like unhinged nut-jobs. And alienate and make enemies of people – including many Jews – who would otherwise be sympathetic to the cause of preserving what remains of western civilization and the U.S.A.
So rather than rant and rave on the internet to no good purpose, why not supply evidence? Specific names, specific acts of wrong-doing, and so forth? Once you have actionable intelligence, hand it over to the local DA’s office. Then maybe, maybe, if a crime has been committed, you’ll get some sort of action. If that doesn’t work, then maybe the Veritas Project would be interested in your findings.
Oh, and one other thing: It is common practice for the authorities employed by certain agencies and NGOs to plant anti-Semitic material on websites they wish to discredit. The SPLC has been doing it for years, to name one example. The way that little game works is that their operatives plant anti-Semitic or other inappropriate material on the site, and then they can come back and point the finger at the host of the site, accusing them of racism, bigotry, xenophobia, whatever.
The founder of the SPLC, a nasty little piece of work named Morris Dees – a hard-left Jewish lawyer – got to be so toxic that not even the political left could stand him anymore. When he got caught abusing women a few years back, it made firing the guy that much easier.
See? Specific names and actions…. now, that wasn’t so hard, was it?
On March 18, 2021 at 4:34 pm, Ryan said:
As the man said:
“The point is that we are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.”