Point shooting was taught in our military up until about 50 years ago. At that time the percent of recruits that had sufficient motor skills to accomplish accurate point shooting was slightly less than 20% and currently I would estimate it to be less than 10% and that is after teaching the process to a few hundred folks in our denomination . Still it is my belief that you should always give it a shot . If you are a good point and shooter you will never be out gunned by someone that has to use the sights or any optical device . It’s quick. Lightning quick if you are motor skilled and you practice . I have a middle aged fat girl I taught it to and she is downright deadly fast and accurate . Her husband tried and could not even get on paper at 10 yards .
On June 21, 2021 at 9:08 am, David said:
Another excellent video from Lucky Gunner. Just a couple of observations from my years as police officer/supervisor, firearms instructor, having been in 3 shootings and investigated many more. Disclaimer: These are MY conclusions, based on my experiences. Others may have totally different valid opinions. 1. Good Training (not just busting caps) with sights develops the habits (call it muscle memory) to accurately put hits on target when the sights cannot be used or used as precisely as one would like to due time, distance, movement, lighting, etc. 2. Since most defensive shootings occur within 5 yards, the ability to put quick, center-of-mass hits on target is paramount. Usually, the one who hits the other first wins the gunfight. 3. Close combat (under 5 yards) training should always start from the holster or concealment. 4. In a deadly force situation most people will innately focus their vision on the threat, that is the attacker. It requires an intense amount of training to bring their focus back to the sights. This is seen even in simulator (FATS type) training. Just something to think about when training for real-life confrontations.
On June 28, 2021 at 5:18 pm, Harry Morgan said:
Sight training is mandatory! First, to placate the ignant, non shooting, legal scam profession. But more importantly, to train an individual to the point of muscle memory instinctive shooting. All great “point shooters” go to that level by training, using sights. Most point shooters do use the sights, they just don’t remember using them. Look at all the top, fastest shooters in the world. They all use their sights. Only slackers want to cut out all the required training, and work necessary, and go right to the “just point shootem’! Opinion.
At minimum repetition skill generaters, one needs 4500 reps for grip and draw. Another 4500 for draw to sight picture. Another 4500 for sight picture to sight alignment to trigger pull. So at their academy, a minimum of 15000 rounds is required just to get out of the starting gate. When leaving the academy, 90% of what was not ingrained, was flushed. So you need another 15000 rounds of training, just to get back to how proficient you were on graduation. Then there are those that learned everything wrong at police academy one, having to unlearn, and relearn at LE academy two. They need twice the training, and ammo, at academy two, to become correctly proficient.
On June 28, 2021 at 5:28 pm, Mike Ohara said:
Using sights not only teaches sights-
The longest shot, from across the street, in the ’86 Miami shoot out was 52 yards. So in you can reliably hit from 50 yards, you can proficiently hit from 25 yards, and instinctively hit from 7 yards. But, shooting from 50 yards increases your area coverage situational awareness by 10x over your situational awareness at 7 yards. Unfortunately, most LE firearms training is locked into a 20″x24″ box, centered in front of the shooter. As you walk the line behind the shooters, catching and correcting mistakes, most shooters ane not aware of the mistakes they are making, let alone that there are 4, or 5 instructors walking around behind them. Think Beslan, and the 20″x24″ box becomes 360 degrees around, and 180 degrees over the top.
On June 28, 2021 at 5:38 pm, Harry Morgan said:
Dave hit’s it! Muscle memory is the ticket. But muscle memory takes repetitive training. 4500 repititions from grasp to draw. 4500 more from draw to sight picture. 4500 more from sight picture to sight alighment to trigger press. So a minimum of 15000 rounds is necessary at the academy to develop muscle memory. On leaving the academy, 90% of what was presented, gets flushed. So the field instructors need to do another 15000 rounds to reinstall the academy programming in those who flushed the life saving, muscle memory training.
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On June 21, 2021 at 4:55 am, buckeyebob said:
Point shooting was taught in our military up until about 50 years ago. At that time the percent of recruits that had sufficient motor skills to accomplish accurate point shooting was slightly less than 20% and currently I would estimate it to be less than 10% and that is after teaching the process to a few hundred folks in our denomination . Still it is my belief that you should always give it a shot . If you are a good point and shooter you will never be out gunned by someone that has to use the sights or any optical device . It’s quick. Lightning quick if you are motor skilled and you practice . I have a middle aged fat girl I taught it to and she is downright deadly fast and accurate . Her husband tried and could not even get on paper at 10 yards .
On June 21, 2021 at 9:08 am, David said:
Another excellent video from Lucky Gunner. Just a couple of observations from my years as police officer/supervisor, firearms instructor, having been in 3 shootings and investigated many more. Disclaimer: These are MY conclusions, based on my experiences. Others may have totally different valid opinions. 1. Good Training (not just busting caps) with sights develops the habits (call it muscle memory) to accurately put hits on target when the sights cannot be used or used as precisely as one would like to due time, distance, movement, lighting, etc. 2. Since most defensive shootings occur within 5 yards, the ability to put quick, center-of-mass hits on target is paramount. Usually, the one who hits the other first wins the gunfight. 3. Close combat (under 5 yards) training should always start from the holster or concealment. 4. In a deadly force situation most people will innately focus their vision on the threat, that is the attacker. It requires an intense amount of training to bring their focus back to the sights. This is seen even in simulator (FATS type) training. Just something to think about when training for real-life confrontations.
On June 28, 2021 at 5:18 pm, Harry Morgan said:
Sight training is mandatory! First, to placate the ignant, non shooting, legal scam profession. But more importantly, to train an individual to the point of muscle memory instinctive shooting. All great “point shooters” go to that level by training, using sights. Most point shooters do use the sights, they just don’t remember using them. Look at all the top, fastest shooters in the world. They all use their sights. Only slackers want to cut out all the required training, and work necessary, and go right to the “just point shootem’! Opinion.
At minimum repetition skill generaters, one needs 4500 reps for grip and draw. Another 4500 for draw to sight picture. Another 4500 for sight picture to sight alignment to trigger pull. So at their academy, a minimum of 15000 rounds is required just to get out of the starting gate. When leaving the academy, 90% of what was not ingrained, was flushed. So you need another 15000 rounds of training, just to get back to how proficient you were on graduation. Then there are those that learned everything wrong at police academy one, having to unlearn, and relearn at LE academy two. They need twice the training, and ammo, at academy two, to become correctly proficient.
On June 28, 2021 at 5:28 pm, Mike Ohara said:
Using sights not only teaches sights-
The longest shot, from across the street, in the ’86 Miami shoot out was 52 yards. So in you can reliably hit from 50 yards, you can proficiently hit from 25 yards, and instinctively hit from 7 yards. But, shooting from 50 yards increases your area coverage situational awareness by 10x over your situational awareness at 7 yards. Unfortunately, most LE firearms training is locked into a 20″x24″ box, centered in front of the shooter. As you walk the line behind the shooters, catching and correcting mistakes, most shooters ane not aware of the mistakes they are making, let alone that there are 4, or 5 instructors walking around behind them. Think Beslan, and the 20″x24″ box becomes 360 degrees around, and 180 degrees over the top.
On June 28, 2021 at 5:38 pm, Harry Morgan said:
Dave hit’s it! Muscle memory is the ticket. But muscle memory takes repetitive training. 4500 repititions from grasp to draw. 4500 more from draw to sight picture. 4500 more from sight picture to sight alighment to trigger press. So a minimum of 15000 rounds is necessary at the academy to develop muscle memory. On leaving the academy, 90% of what was presented, gets flushed. So the field instructors need to do another 15000 rounds to reinstall the academy programming in those who flushed the life saving, muscle memory training.
On June 28, 2021 at 7:02 pm, Herschel Smith said:
Lou/Harry/Mike,
Please use one or the other emails and names associated with your IP so the web site knows who you are.
Thx.