Guns in paradise: Ruling could undo strict Hawaii carry law
BY Herschel Smith
2 years, 5 months ago
AP.
“If you’re born and raised here, you get into a fistfight, you don’t expect there to be a weapon,” Kau said.
Chris Marvin, a Hawaii resident with the gun control group Everytown for Gun Safety, said road rage dustups, clashes over surf spots and other confrontations are a part of life in Hawaii and are rarely fatal. He’s worried that will change.
“When you introduce guns, it’s so often immediately death,” he said. “Guns and aloha don’t mix.”
Under current law, county police chiefs in Hawaii have the discretion to determine whether to issue a carry permit. Without such a permit, people in Hawaii are only allowed to keep firearms in the home and can transport them — unloaded and locked up — to shooting ranges, hunting areas and other limited locations such as for repairs.
The Supreme Court ruling says local governments can’t require those seeking a license to carry a gun in public to demonstrate a particular need, such as a direct threat to their safety. Hawaii and California are among states with such a requirement.
Hawaii police chiefs have issued only four carry permits in the last 22 years, said attorney Alan Beck, who represents George Young, a Big Island man suing to be able to carry a gun for self-defense.
“It’s a huge deal,” Beck said of the ruling. “Not only does it mean Mr. Young’s case will prevail, it also means the door has been opened to challenging numerous aspects of Hawaii firearms law.”
What a terrible take on life. Road rage dustups, clashes over surf spots and other confrontations are part of life in Hawaii. But not to worry. No guns are involved, so everything is cool.
Except it’s not. Assault is a sin. Assault is a felony. Assault can maim. Assault can kill. Assault can cause pain and suffering and massive medical bills.
Maybe the Aloha state needs to see some people guilty of assault get shot in the altercation. It would go a long ways towards a marked change in how men see other men in Hawaii.
So when some sociologist claims five years from now that Bruen caused more shootings in Hawaii, I’ll respond, so what? How do you know that’s a bad thing?
On June 26, 2022 at 9:29 pm, Fred said:
Firearms are ubiquitous here and concealed carry is the custom by tradition. That’s why there are no road rage dustups and fights over boat ramp access or other infantile reasons to harm someone. If you start a fight here you’ll get shot. That’s why it’s the most polite place I’ve ever been.
It’s weird how the presence of firearms can teach what’s being purposefully destroyed; that authority exists, and right and wrong real with lasting consequences.
On June 27, 2022 at 3:47 am, scott s. said:
It’s really just another way of saying citizens of Hawaii aren’t real Americans and shouldn’t be treated as if we are. You can trace these laws back to the provisional and republic governments and fear of royalist counter-revolution. And why they put the Queen in house arrest after she abdicated.
On June 27, 2022 at 7:23 am, June J said:
Just another variation of the “blood running in the streets” propaganda from Everytown. Every state that has shall issue has proven that to be fiction.
On June 27, 2022 at 7:50 am, ragman said:
I first went to Hawaii in 1973 as a USAF pilot and was extremely disappointed. The hatred for White people was visceral. I don’t care what they do to each other.
On June 27, 2022 at 9:17 am, Frank Clarke said:
“Nothin’ wrong with people being shot as long as it’s the -right- people being shot.”
——”Dirty Harry” Callahan
On June 27, 2022 at 4:38 pm, xtphreak said:
@Fred
Robert Heinlein said it best in Beyond This Horizon
““An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
On June 29, 2022 at 9:17 am, Latigo Morgan said:
Sounds like Hawaii isn’t a very polite society.
Never had any desire to go there. Don’t know why, even though I really liked watching Magnum PI when I was a kid.
My brother worked there for a couple years. He was living large on the company expense account, and he said no amount of money could keep it from being a pretty shithole.
His wife hated it. She didn’t like getting hit on every time she went out, even though she was most emphatic about her being married, it didn’t deter men or women from bothering her.