Idaho Constitutional Carry
BY Herschel Smith
8 years, 4 months ago
Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter signed SB 1389 into law in March, and on July 1, it officially became legal to carry concealed firearms without a permit in Idaho—but during at a July 1 rally on the Capitol Mall, Idaho Second Amendment Alliance President Greg Pruett said there’s more work to be done.
Pruett told the crowd of 75-100 people the next step is lobbying lawmakers to remove the residency requirement from the permitless—or constitutional—carry law and strengthen Idaho’s “castle doctrine,” the law which defines homicide as justifiable if it is, among other things, “committed in defense of habitation or property.”
“When someone breaks into your house, that should be the end of it for them,” Pruett said. He went on to express disappointment at the years of work it took to enact the law and at the lack of credit given to ISAA for the rise of strong Second Amendment advocate candidates in the Republican Primary.
In his remarks to the crowd, U.S. Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) praised the group for securing legislation in four years and suggested not to turn against lawmakers for a single vote.
“I don’t want you to leave disappointed because it took four years,” Labrador said. “You need to judge politicians based on their body of work.”
Pruett wasn’t having it.
“For us, you’re either all in or you’re not,” he said.
This is a strange article and I don’t understand it. Perhaps an Idahoan can help interpret what we’re reading here. First of all, it takes a very long time to work the collectivist system down to something more tolerable. If the man named Labrador was saying that the entire system should be exonerated because they finally did something good, then I have to disagree.
But on the other hand, if Pruett is disparaging the very one who helped to secure that bit of legislation that makes the system more tolerable, then I have to wonder if the collectivists are our betters when it comes to strategy. I’ve pointed out before that they are very good incrementalists and we’re not. They will accept something that isn’t to their liking in order to work towards the end result that is to their liking.
Are we as strategically savvy as that? I doubt it.
On July 6, 2016 at 8:26 am, Don said:
Here’s Greg Pruett’s take on how the Boise Weekly misinterpreted his statements.
https://www.facebook.com/IdahoSecondAmendmentAlliance/posts/651202271695995
On July 6, 2016 at 9:09 am, Fred said:
So, the media creates and drives divisiveness for it’s own purposes (money). Not surprised.
On July 6, 2016 at 4:23 pm, hughtalkintome said:
We are so used to losing to their incrementalist approach that we cannot recognize the win. Hate to say it but we need to play incrementally as they do.
On July 6, 2016 at 10:34 pm, Richard Chiu said:
The collectivists are fighting for pretend victories that will only matter in the fantasy world where wealth is produced by the intense ‘feels’ of those in need and pretty words can stop bullets.
In securing those pretend victories, the collectivists have indeed proven far more adept than those who understand the harsh realities of life. But one of those harsh realities is that when you let people who don’t understand reality game the system you use to decide how to approve the use of lethal force against people who won’t play by the rules, the system stops being useful in protecting anyone from harsh realities.
The rule of law is dead. The collectivists have killed it. Was that clever of them? We’ll ask the survivors, if any of them are willing to admit having been among those who killed the law after the consequences have become fully apparent.
On July 7, 2016 at 2:09 pm, Cal said:
You’re close. Until you read the US Constitution and understand it, understand that if it is not mentioned it is forbidden. If a delegated power (authority) is assigned to one branch or office, it is forbidden to any other branch or office – unless , such as the treaty power, it is assigned to two bodies, ie the Senate and the President.
Then it is important to understand that the US Constitution does NOT assign any of the delegated authority to any person who serves but to either the branch or an office within a branch. Why is that important? Because those who serve within our governments – state and federal – are allowed to use that delegated authority for as long as they do the duties as assigned, take and KEEP the Oaths required. If they break that contract – yes, it is a contract with conditions all in writing – they no longer meet the requirements of the position occupied, so no longer have any lawful or real authority over or to represent the American people.
It is also important to realize that there are three branches of the American government, and no, I am NOT talking about the 3 branches of the state governments or the 3 branches of the federal governments. The First Branch of the American government is “We the people of the united states” who delegated the authority in writing to both the states and the federal government. Most important is that we did NOT delegate all of our authority, just some of it, and it is divided between all three branches.
The First Branch has its own tools also in writing within the US Constitution – not all of them, just the ones the framers thought we would need to prevent those who serve within our governments from destroying us and our nation. What are some of our tools besides each state’s Constitution – the highest law of the state and a contract for state employees, though not their only contract.
The US Constitution as the contract for ALL governmental employees – elected, hired, contracted, etc; state and federal. It also defines our governments, including the state governments as constitutional republics. Then it assigns the duties dividing them up between the three branches of the American government – “We the people”, the states, and then the federal government. Then further dividing them up between the three branches of the federal government.
Notice that in the last 150 or so years one branch of our government has pretty much neglected its duties. That is the problem we see today. But it was very advantages for those who serve within our governments who wanted more power for us to first neglect our own duties, then later to let them dumb us down so badly that we no longer even bother to read the US Constitution which is a very short document.
So what are the duties of the American people? We, as the regulated – trained as the congress requires the military to be trained and also educated in the US Constitution and our state Constitution as we are bound to them, and them only as the Militia. Both those that serve within our state governments and within the federal governments are REQUIRED to use the Militia for:
— Enforcing the US Constitution (supreme LAW of this land) and each state’s Constitution (highest LAW of the state),
— Enforcing and keeping the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
— Protecting the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
— “suppressing Insurrections and repelling Invasions”.
These duties are listed in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15.
Clause 15: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel invasions.“
The duties that those that serve within both the state and federal governments have TO THE Militias are found within Clause 16.
Clause 16: “To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress”.
But it is important to remember that veterans are trained as the congress requires the military to be trained, and it would not take much for them to be educated in the US Constitution and their state Constitution so that makes them the most danger constitutionally to those domestic enemies and traitors serving within our governments. Add to it that they can train others as the congress requires the militia to be trained you can see why vets are under attack, and why all Militias are treated with disdain and contempt and as if they are a danger. That is because they are, but not as nutcases, but as they and they alone are CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED
John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States 475: “To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.”
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers 28: “The militia is a voluntary force not associated or under the control of the States except when called out; [when called into actual service] a permanent or long standing force would be entirely different in make-up and call.“
So what does this have to do with what you said in your comment? Glad you asked.
On July 7, 2016 at 2:39 pm, Fred said:
You’re describing a cherry pie. It sounds delicious. Unfortunately it has been shit upon by authoritarians and eaten out by hoards.
The Constitution of the United States is, by way of fact, void. I don’t want it to be this way, I’m not advocating for this legal state of affairs we find ourselves in, but tough, here we are.
.fed ignores it, the people have never read it, our “leaders” do whatever they want, the churches are captured and interred, I swore an oath to uphold the constitution but it is now null and void. We need to face this fact and proceed accordingly. We are obligated to throw off these chains. A contract that nobody has read and nobody follows in no contract at all.
I call them power centers, your branches, but you’re wrong, there are four AND there is a chain of command in which any of those above can destroy all below. It follows;
God, people, states, fed.
On July 7, 2016 at 6:01 pm, Richard Chiu said:
A sad state of affairs, indeed.
But one that will be rectified, whatever the cost.
On July 7, 2016 at 5:59 pm, Richard Chiu said:
Understanding the details of what Constitutional government requires and how it can be judged to exist is a right endeavor. Sadly, explaining those details to the internet is not very useful.
I perhaps misspoke in colloquially confusing the law, which cannot be truly destroyed by acts of men, and the rule of law, which consists of a state of regular action in accordance with a reasonable understanding of the consequences of attempting to transgress the bounds of natural law. It was an imprecision in pursuit of rhetorical impact, and to correct any mis-impression thus transmitted is just.
But it is a greater imprecison without rhetorical impact to give the impression that law ultimately rests on what is written by any men, however praiseworthy in their sphere and honors. The Constitution was made law because it conformed to the natural law, which gave those men who fought for freedom under the natural law a right to express their understanding of it for the benefit of their fellows and posterity to the best of their admirable but still human ability. We would be foolish indeed to dismiss the significance and magnitude of the legacy they left for us.
We would be more foolish to fail to notice that we have not actually received it at the hand of those who claimed the honor of transmitting it to us.
On July 7, 2016 at 8:41 pm, Fred said:
MR. Chiu, I deeply respect the men who fought and won for the right to craft it. But the reason I appreciate the document itself, is as you state.
I, against my will, am taken to be His. I heed the natural law (as I can, not always well) because I hear the master’s call to His flock. The document, to me, is a result of my brothers following of the LORD.
It is a worthy goal, this reconstitution of the union, but God works over generations. We have the blood of 55 million dead babies on our hands, state licensed homo sex marriage, and our churches are incorporated with the IRS. This will not stand. I would reckon that nobody alive today, as a nation, will see the reward, of heeding His law, even if we all started trying now. I pray I’m wrong, I pray for a way. Sadly, I think that judgement must come first.
On July 8, 2016 at 4:51 am, Cal said:
What I was explaining is OUR duty, and what constitutional actions we are required (yes, required) to take to remove all who serve within our government and replace them with those more inclined to follow the contract.
Thomas Paine: “THOSE who expect to reap the blessings of
freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it. The
event of yesterday was one of those kind of alarms which is just
sufficient to rouse us to duty, without being of consequence enough
to depress our fortitude. It is not a field of a few acres of ground,
BUT A CAUSE, that we are defending, and whether we defeat the enemy
in one battle, or by degrees, the consequences will be the same.”
But if one does not understand that instead of being ruled, we put people into place to handle the day-to-day tasks of government in dealing with things that affect our nation dealing with foreign nations/entities (federal government), and that dealing with the domestic affairs (state governments). Why do you think they are importing at an astounding rate, and have been for decades, those who only understand being ruled? Those who do not understand that those who serve within our governments are placed there – be they elected, hired, contracted, etc – to do specific put-into-writing jobs/duties that are clearly described.
Some say the US Constitution is “outdated”, but it is no more outdated then one needs to have ones house cleaned. A duty in that house might be sweeping the floor. If one has a dirt floor a branch will do to sweep it. but if one has a solid floor then a straw broom is a better tool. When that is upgraded to carpeting then it is time for a vacuum cleaner. Say one moves to a space ship, or whatever, then a small robot that can be programmed might do the duty better. Basically the duty/job is the same, but the tools used to carry out that duty/job changes.
But like any business that has employees, one must manage the employees or they will end up destroying the business or taking it over.
We the people have been bad managers, too caught up in our daily lives to do the little duties we all share to keep our nation free and not corrupted. Now we bear the burden of bringing things back to where they need to be. but first, for many, they must get their “business” skills back into being, or started, and learn the US Constitution, what our country is supposed to be, not what it is today which is so far off track that it is unrecognizable. Freedom, like having a clean house or a well running vehicle takes maintenance. We have not maintained our country and now this long walk home might be very fraught with dangers expected and unexpected.
On July 8, 2016 at 1:23 pm, FriendOfJohnnyM said:
California just suffered from the most restrictive and ridiculous gun law BS ever passed in this state. Idaho just got more sensible and lenient. Guess where I’m moving to?
On July 10, 2016 at 3:27 pm, smartacus said:
Constitutional Carry also prevents embarrassing shootings of drivers who say the word “gun” .
Officer Yanez should have lied and said he shot driver for being black!!!