New York To Georgia: You Need Guns Laws Like Us
BY Herschel Smith
8 years ago
AJC:
New York’s attorney general has a message for Georgians: keep your guns to yourselves.
In a study released this week, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman blamed lax gun laws in states such as Georgia for much of the violent crime that occurs in New York state.
New York has some of the nation’s strictest gun-control laws: It bans so-called assault weapons; prohibits the sale of high-capacity magazines; requires background checks on buyers in all firearms transactions, including private and gun-show sales; and issues licenses to people who legally buy handguns.
“New York’s gun laws have curbed access to the guns most associated with violent crimes: handguns,” Schneiderman said in the report. “But the ready availability of these guns in states without these protections thwarts New York’s efforts to keep its citizens safe.”
The study used data from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to determine the origins of guns recovered in connection with crimes in New York between 2010 and 2015.
Of those 52,915 guns, three-fourths came from out of state – in most cases, Schneiderman said, through illegal trafficking. Just 6 percent of the guns still belonged to their original owners when the crimes occurred.
Georgia sent more guns to New York than any states other than Virginia and Pennsylvania, the study found.
Police connected 2,822 guns originally bought in Georgia to crimes in New York; 2,711 of those were handguns. Georgia accounted for 13 percent of out-of-state “crime guns” recovered by New York police during the five years covered by the study.
The largest number of the Georgia guns – 152 – were connected to a crime within one year of purchase. Another 209 had been bought in Georgia between one and three years earlier. Many may have been stolen from gun stores or individuals in Georgia.
Schneiderman used the report’s release to call for federal legislation to mandate background checks on all purchases at gun shows and for state laws s to require permits for handgun buyers.
In Georgia, at least, that proposal is a non-starter. Georgia law prohibits police from even asking people with guns whether they have concealed-carry permits. The state allows open carry of firearms in many public places – bars, for instance, or the non-secure areas of airports.
New York to Georgia: “You need to be more like us.”
Georgia to New York: ” … yawn. Did somebody say something?”
On October 28, 2016 at 8:43 am, Pat Hines said:
“Schneiderman”. I see the problem already.
On October 28, 2016 at 12:51 pm, hiernonymous said:
You don’t trust tailors?
On October 28, 2016 at 9:11 am, Fred said:
“Just 6 percent of the guns still belonged to their original owners when the crimes occurred.”
And 94 percent didn’t and 100 percent of the guns were held, by a person and, the gun actually, did nothing until it was voluntarily operated by one of the 100 percent of the people who committed a crime.
But these guns are out of control.
On October 28, 2016 at 9:20 am, Douglas Mortimer said:
Tell those population control fetishists to pound sand and fix their own house.
On October 28, 2016 at 11:09 am, Archer said:
Miguel at the “Gun Free Zone” blog already covered this: http://gunfreezone.net/index.php/2016/10/26/and-the-number-one-state-providing-guns-to-criminals-in-ny-is/
Short answer: The #1 “source” state for “crime guns” in New York is … New York. Three times as many guns traced came from NY than from GA.
And it goes both ways; plenty of NY-sourced guns end up in other states, too, even with NY’s “tough gun laws”. If Schneiderman’s going to lay blame on other states for NY’s problems, maybe those other states’ AGs should hold Schneiderman responsible for those, hmmm?
Interesting how the picture changes when you can see the whole thing, isn’t it? Context matters.
On October 29, 2016 at 4:01 pm, Billy Mullins said:
Ah, excuse me. HOW do they know where those guns were originally bought? Especially the 102 guns allegedly originally bought in Texas. We don’t register guns here in Texas. Plus, I was of the understanding that there IS NO NATIONAL GUN REGISTRY. So how do they know WHERE those guns come from? HOW?????
On October 29, 2016 at 7:42 pm, Michael said:
That’s a great question – how do they know?
On November 2, 2016 at 7:43 am, Billy Mullins said:
Read milesfortis’ explanation. There isn’t (at least so far as I know) a national electronic gun registry. But as milesfortis so ably explained, all the data to create one – at least a registry of original purchasers.
On November 1, 2016 at 4:14 pm, milesfortis said:
Ah, but your understanding is a misunderstanding and you just think it’s not “registered” (more or less).
Work with me now.
Just to keep it simple:
What’s done when a gun is bought by an individual from a FFL dealer?
A 4473 form is filled out right?
And the dealer’s Acquisition and Disposition log (which is kept on hand for a minimum of 20 years) is filled in too.
All licensed manufacturers, jobbers and distributors, on down the line, also have A&D books.
ATF gets the make, model and serial # of a gun to trace.
ATF goes to manufacturer and gets the name of the distributor that received the gun.
ATF goes to the distributor and gets the name of the FFL dealer that received the gun.
They go to the dealer (sometimes they just call) and the dealer will tell them who filled out the 4473. Name, DOB, address etc, etc, etc.
Current law can really only determine who the last retail buyer was.
That last person, if they still live at the same address, or where ever on down the investigative line, gets a knock on the door and a nice, for the moment, ATF agent questions them about what they did with that gun.
ATF, if they’re still interested, keeps going until they can go no farther.
After that first retail sale, it’s a matter of how long and how many times a gun has changed hands. No state registration/transfer laws, time enough and changed hands enough and the trail goes cold.
On November 2, 2016 at 7:40 am, Billy Mullins said:
I gotcha. BUT! To digitize all the A&D logs so as to enable electronic searches and compilation of lists of last known owners will (notice I didn’t say “would”) be a herculean task requiring a long lead time (since when do the feds do ANYTHING quickly – OR WELL?!) to prepare for the eventual confiscation of firearms. Not everybody is gonna take kindly to such an intrusion. Guess sooner or later gonna be some dead ATF agents or whichever “LEO” types volunteer for the detail.
On November 2, 2016 at 2:25 pm, milesfortis said:
No argument about bureaucrapic (no, that wasn’t a typo) inefficiency.
In some ways, it can be included on the list of our greatest protections.
On October 30, 2016 at 11:33 am, Haywood Jablome said:
Georgia to New York: ” … yawn. Did somebody say something?”
You’re a better man than I am Herschel. My Georgian reply to NY would have rhymed with
” truck trough “.
I know. I have to be the better man. But these progressive libtards make me CRAZY!!