Rolling Gun Battle, Shots Fired, Very Little Practice On The Range
BY Herschel Smith
6 years, 5 months ago
In less than 24 hours, police made their first arrest in a rolling gun battle that played out on a busy Tulsa street.
Police booked Aundre Rogers into jail Tuesday.
Leaving his first interview with detectives, Aundre Rogers said he is innocent.
Sawyer: “Have you thought about what would happen if somebody had gotten hurt?”
Rogers: “I did get hurt. I’m the victim.”But police aren’t so sure.
Officers arrested Rogers as he left the hospital Tuesday morning – his arm in a cast after being shot during a rolling gun battle near Jasper and MLK Tuesday afternoon.
“How our person in the hospital ended up getting shot in the arm…What we think is he is hanging out the window shooting at the car behind him,” Sergeant Dave Walker said. “It’s a shame he got a booboo on his arm, but he shouldn’t be hanging out the window shooting at people.”
The incident happened in the middle of a busy intersection Monday.
Police said a stray bullet hit the car of an innocent woman as she was driving home from work.
Officers collected more than a dozen shell casings scattered a half mile down the street.
“These bullets go somewhere, and they are not the best shot and they don’t practice, and so the chances of somebody else getting hit that is innocent is great,” Walker said.
“They aren’t the best shot and they don’t practice.” For some reason this rolling gun battle comes to mind.
The more than 600 rounds that Stockton police fired during a rolling gun battle with bank robbers last year that left a hostage dead by officers’ bullets was “excessive” and “unnecessary,” an independent review found.
The Police Foundation, a research group based in Washington, D.C., released a detailed report Monday on how Stockton police responded to the July 16, 2014, armed robbery of a Bank of the West branch, where three gunmen took three women hostage and fired at officers from a speeding SUV.
The group found that 32 officers unloaded more than 600 rounds during the hour-long rolling gun battle, which spanned three counties, 63 miles of highway and reached speeds of 120 mph. One of the hostages, Misty Holt-Singh, was killed when she was struck by 10 police bullets, authorities said. The two other hostages jumped or were thrown from the vehicle during the chase and survived.
Police officials said they fired on the vehicle to potentially save lives because the men in the car were shooting indiscriminately. The gunmen disabled 14 police cars with gunshots, the report stated.
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The report said that a few officers engaged in “sympathetic fire,” in which officers fired their weapons because others were shooting.
In some cases, officers opened fire while colleagues were in front of them. The report highlighted an example during the final standoff, in which one officer lay prone on the ground and did not shoot while an officer next to him, standing, fired “round after round.”
“‘What’s your target?’ the prone officer yelled, thinking he was missing something,” the report stated.
“‘The car!’ responded the officer,” according to the report.
Or if you wish, you could consider a much less dynamic situation. Either way, insulting a thug’s ability with weapons isn’t really the best strategy at this point, sir.
On June 13, 2018 at 6:27 am, Fred said:
“Police officials said they fired on the vehicle [killing a hostage] to potentially save lives because the men in the car were shooting indiscriminately.”
So the po po fired ‘discriminately’ at the car with several hostages inside to save lives due to indiscriminate fire? The cold hard logic of the sub optimal IQ.
On June 13, 2018 at 11:50 am, Chris Mallory said:
Mr. Rogers was hanging out a car window firing at another vehicle because he feared for his life? What did he think he was an armed government employee? Only the possession of a costume and accompanying jewelry can qualify a person to fire out of a moving vehicle at another car.
Maybe they should just let Mr. Rogers investigate himself and declare that he followed policy.
On June 13, 2018 at 1:21 pm, 60 year gunfighter said:
Were these the same oooficers in Steve Martins movie that were shooting at the oil cans in the gas station?
Be sure of your back stop!
Training, training, and more training! Necessary-
One run through John Shaws law enforcement shooting school, shooting moving coyotes and targets from the back of a moving truck, would cure that problem, right away!
On June 13, 2018 at 1:51 pm, Gryphon said:
“Jasper and MLK” Street Names is All that needed to be said. A Thug has Shot Thug. Take that Thug Demographic out of the U.S. Crime Stats and it is Safer and more Crime- Free than almost every ‘country’ in Europe, where Guns are largely Banned.
On June 13, 2018 at 8:40 pm, 1019 said:
“We had to destroy the village in order to save it”
On June 13, 2018 at 11:06 pm, Jorge said:
I’ll grant that budgets are a thing, and range time can be hard to get, even when it’s an LE-only range (especially in a major city).
That said, the majority of shooting skills can be practiced and improved massively with dry fire alone – there’s no reason not to do that.
There’s a thousand ways they could get useful training with little to no money spent, but instead they just ignore it altogether. If a private company did this with their basic safety equipment, they would be destroyed in court… but police departments get away with this level of neglect in the handling of very deadly weapons on the regular.