Kenosha Riots: One Rioter Gets Half His Arm Blown Off By Rifle Fire
BY Herschel Smith
4 years, 4 months ago
Warning: This video is graphic for weak of stomach folks.
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC: @Julio_Rosas11 recorded up-close footage of one of the men who tried to attack a man who was on the ground but armed with a semi-auto rifle. Half of his upper arm was blown off. #KenoshaRiots pic.twitter.com/81bFbBl7Dw
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) August 26, 2020
I’m an analyst. Permit me some free-form analysis, very early, in which the details are not exactly nailed down.
First, I take this to be a shot from a long gun. Pistol rounds don’t cause that much damage. It could be from an AK pattern rifle, but I doubt it. I recall a Navy Corpsman in my son’s Battalion who told me his story (confirmed by others in the Battalion) where he took a 7.62×39 round to the thigh, it ricocheted up his thigh and exited near his buttocks. Clean entry wound, clean exit wound. He then tended to other wounded in the gun battle before attending his own wound. 7.62×39 rounds don’t explode like this upon impact. It’s likely to be a 5.56×45 round. This is what a little 5.56mm pill going 3000 FPS does. He now has half an arm. He will never have a complete arm again. His bicep is now non-existent and his elbow likely shattered. In fact, it was probably a glancing shot, not well aimed.
Second, I don’t know anything about the details, but apparently the shooter (who may have been defending himself) hasn’t been identified. Someone (perhaps their Marxist professors) has convinced the black bloc and BLM that after buying hundreds of millions of guns and trillions of rounds of ammunition, Americans will sit idle and be overrun. This is dangerous teaching. It will get people killed.
Third, this was bound to happen. It only escalates from here. The sides don’t sit back, ponder what’s happened, and then suddenly decide that this might have been a misadventure and badly conceived project. Anger builds. Memories are made. This all redounds to increasing levels of violence. Once this spigot has been opened, it’s extremely difficult to close it.
Fourth, I interviewed and cataloged the experiences of my son’s squad (and mostly his fire team) when they returned from Iraq over several days. This is exactly how it went down. Shots fired. No one knows who did it or where it came from, car tags were removed, shooters were wearing hoods, and shooters were rarely identified unless killed.
It’s not like in Afghanistan where men wearing pajamas sit in the hills for three days and engaged long distance fire in a dedicated and disciplined manner. This is urban / suburban warfare. The darkness rules. There aren’t enough police to stop the violence, much less conduct formal investigations. There were some protracted gun battles in which my son engaged, but the bulk of the fighting was shoot from cover or concealment, move, maneuver, disappear to do it again later.
I’ll say it again. These reports are eerily similar to the ones I received from my son’s fire team. If this progresses, think in terms of Iraq × 100 (or worse). As always, this isn’t an encouragement to participate, merely for educational and analysis purposes. I am an analyst, and analysis you receive here is better than anything you’ll get from the CIA or DHS.
EDIT: Update via WiscoDave.
GRAPHIC: I missed this in the video. The man who had his arm shot ran in with a pistol. He was still holding it for some time after he was hit: pic.twitter.com/dHx37kaDTk
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) August 26, 2020
[I have just begun to include these posts in the category “War & Warfare,” previously opting to place them in “Politics.”]
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On August 26, 2020 at 9:28 am, Snap said:
He chased and attacked an armed individual who defended himself against being beaten, maimed or, killed.
IOW, he fucked around and fount out.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
On August 26, 2020 at 9:28 am, Sisu said:
“But, in the movies the ‘star’ is always able to disarm his adversary with at most a ‘flesh wound’ ?” … He gave his right arm for “the cause”. His parents no doubt will be proud of their efforts and education decisions made on his behalf. … And, in 40 or 50 years: “grandpa, what did you do in the ‘battle of Kenosha’ ?”.
On August 26, 2020 at 9:47 am, Fred said:
Antifa team member shouted; “he is dead.” Several people were fired at by the victim and perhaps, one them is dead. Now to be immortalized, finally a good commie.
On August 26, 2020 at 9:48 am, Wes said:
@Herschel Thanks for getting this up sir and with – as usual – cogent remarks.
‘Rubicon’ indeed.
On August 26, 2020 at 9:52 am, Fred said:
Maybe not antifa, don’t know who is who so the former comment in doubt, but somebody shouted he’s dead.
On August 26, 2020 at 9:53 am, Longbow said:
I read a piece on Yahoo News this morning first thing, which said two people were killed and one injured. No surprise, their piece gave no details. This was the most obvious case of self defense I have ever seen on video.
Herschel, you comments are spot on. Once the spigot is opened, it is difficult to shut off. It is now open.
I have been saying all along, the leftists have no idea the volume of whoop-ass in the can they have just popped open. It will seem to them like opening the valve of a fire hose while they look at it wondering will happen.
Now also we will see how many “really good guys” there are in the “Vast Majority”. Will they arrest and prosecute good people for defending themselves, as their political masters will order them to do? Will they confiscate guns from the law abiding while leaving Pansie-fa, and BLM armed?
But, hey! At least we have the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the NICS system to keep us safe!
Onward to Socia…. uhhh… I mean, Progress!
On August 26, 2020 at 10:45 am, Arthur Sido said:
Unfortunately the people we are dealing with are likely to see this as reason to escalate, rather than step back and wonder about getting into a shooting war with people who are sick to death of watching their country burn to the ground.
On August 26, 2020 at 10:52 am, Bad_Brad said:
Turns out Kenosha has a Militia. Infowars reported, and it was easy to confirm, that the Militia had recruited 1200 plus armed citizens to protect businesses. I beleive this is a result of those efforts. Kenosha has BlacBloc, BLM, and now Antifa pouring in from Chicago and Milwaukee. Every gunslinger on Instagram says they’re headed that way. This is not a good place to vacation right now.
On August 26, 2020 at 10:57 am, Matt Bracken said:
Sure it’ll escalate. There is also footage of folks with long guns on roofs, putting their green aiming lasers on rioters/arsonists/looters who are literally throwing rocks back at them, daring them to fire (to martyr them for their St. Marx.)
The mayor and governor could have stopped this on the first night with 500 NG. Now it’s too late. The NG can stop it in a few square miles, but Antifa/BLM commie scum will just look outside the NG control perimeter for targets. This time, they won’t be throwing rocks.
On August 26, 2020 at 11:13 am, ApoloDoc said:
What an incredibly restrained response! I have looked at videos & still photos, this guy was about to get himself murdered, yet his self-defense shooting was the bare minimum necessary. How ironic when we have police engaging in massive overkill. Again, I STRONGLY encourage & agree with these defensive efforts. My struggle with resistance to “government” from a Biblical perspective are completely different. It is great to see a new generation of “rooftop Koreans” taking up the banner.
As Matt astutely comments above, this is an utter failure of government. How bizarre that this is escalating in the land of cheeseheads! Without the Packers to cheer, what IS their outlet for violent urges? ;)
On August 26, 2020 at 11:42 am, jack said:
More info + armchair analysis here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdMTghlrFiw
On August 26, 2020 at 11:46 am, HempRopeAndStreetlight said:
If you watch, the sh*t-bag who got his bicep blown off took the shot at point blank – looks to me like most of the damage was gas escaping the muzzle.
On August 26, 2020 at 11:57 am, 41mag said:
I’ll just leave this right here….
https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/americas-other-largest-army-in-the-world/
On August 26, 2020 at 11:57 am, MTHead said:
Well, that surely stresses the point for IFAK!
On August 26, 2020 at 12:02 pm, 41mag said:
That article was from 2010, so I’d imagine those numbers are still accurate
On August 26, 2020 at 12:38 pm, Herschel Smith said:
Another point to be made is that just like my son’s experience in Iraq, the snowballing effect of violence is apparent.
Violence begets violence. Hatred builds, and this building causes more violence, and the increased violence causes more hatred, and so on.
This parallels my son’s experience with the Shia, Sunni, foreigners, locals, competing insurgency groups, etc.
On August 26, 2020 at 12:39 pm, Strelnikov said:
A lot more of them will have to shot to end this. Right now they feel invincible because there has been no resistance. They have yet to receive that first punch in the face that changes the entire match.
On August 26, 2020 at 12:42 pm, HempRopeAndStreetlight said:
They arrested the kid, charging him with murder.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-2-killed-during-3rd-night-violence-kenosha-grisly-shootings-captured-video
If he has some sort of legal defense fund, I have 1,000.00 for him.
On August 26, 2020 at 12:47 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@HempRope,
Thanks for the update.
The pistol in the hand of the guy with half an arm will make it VERY difficult to prove that he wasn’t acting in self defense. His best bet is that it is all on video. Video is the eyewitness. [EDIT: Sorry, you mean for the shooter responsible for the head shot]
In the future, I would expect shooters to be on rooftops, behind buildings, sitting in surrounding areas in Ghillie suits with scoped bolt action hunting rifles and night vision, etc.
It all escalates from here on to its conclusion.
EDIT: One final point following my previous comment. You can expect the riots in Portland, Seattle, Austin, etc., to be fueled by this, fueling yet more violence, and so on.
Watch and see what happens tonight.
On August 26, 2020 at 12:49 pm, Sheepdog said:
They have apparently arrested and charged with murder the individual who killed the bolsheviks…
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-2-killed-during-3rd-night-violence-kenosha-grisly-shootings-captured-video
@Fred called this out earlier, patriots will have the law thrown at them, the bolsheviks will get a pass. We are in a two-front conflict…
On August 26, 2020 at 1:19 pm, BarcelonaCarmen said:
Sheepdog said: If he has some sort of legal defense fund, I have 1,000.00 for him.
Yes, please let me know, also, if there is a legal defense fund. I have $100. I can’t shoot (except my mouth) but I have funds.
On August 26, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Sheepdog said:
@BarcelonaCarmen…
That was HempRopeAndStreetlight who offered $1k but I am in full agreement with both of you.
This was an act of self defense, it is likely they will set out to destroy this young man.
GoFundMe will most likely deny this kid…
On August 26, 2020 at 2:34 pm, Bad_Brad said:
This ain’t looking good for the 17 year old. To young to own an AR. Not from Wisconsin, he’s from Chicago. Drove across state lines with murderous intent. They will throw the book at the Patriot. If he has a Gofundme account I’ll contribute.
On August 26, 2020 at 3:23 pm, TMA said:
I think the main reason for clean entry and exit wounds and limited damage from assault rifles is that hollow point ammo is prohibited by the Geneva convention. That may not have been followed in Kenosha.
On August 26, 2020 at 3:25 pm, FiftycalTX said:
An update from gunfreezone “Here, Rittenhouse immediately turned himself over to police while still at the scene of the shooting, so he clearly wasn’t attempting to avoid responsibility or identification or avoid prosecution–he knew the authorities knew who he was and where they could find him.
More likely the Trayvon-Martin-aged Rittenhouse simply didn’t understand that he was prohibited from just going home, if going home meant leaving the state.
I know the complaint against him states that he was fleeing for purposes of avoiding prosecution, but that’s a presumption–note there’s no evidence cited in support of that claim. And if I had $1 for every profoundly defective and falsified criminal complaint I saw in an apparently clear-cut case of self-defense, I’d have more BMW motorcycles in my garage.
Rittenhouse is apparently, based on known evidence, no more guilty of murder in this event than Officer Chauvin is guilty of murdering George Floyd or Officer Rolfe is guilty of murdering Rayshaad Brooks or the McCloskeys are guilty of unlawful use of weapons when facing down a threatening mob outside their home. These charges and prosecutions are all political theater for the benefit of the Progressive fascist team, which these days often includes the local prosecutor.”
On August 26, 2020 at 3:26 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@TMA,
No. The 7.62×39 round doesn’t tumble and fragment like the 5.56 round does. It (the 5.56 round) basically tumbles end to end and looks like a keyhole by several inches into ballistic gel. By then it begins to shatter into pieces leaving multiple wound paths.
On August 26, 2020 at 3:27 pm, Hudson H Luce said:
My belief is that a lot of this BLM/Antifa/Maoist stuff is done with *support* from whatever is behind the US government – any “movement” that gets millions in major corporate support and from family foundations (Ford, Rockefeller) is just shock troops for the corporate state. It looks pretty odd when police are ordered to not intervene, to let the “movement” do as it will, that gives the definite impression that the “movement” is officially-sponsored terror against the people. And of course, any real resistance would be crushed without mercy by the government. If the corporatist Democratic wing of the duopoly supports a “movement”, then that “movement” isn’t legit – no effing way. Look back in history – what corporations, what government, what wing of the Duopoly supported Malcolm X or the Black Panthers? Absolutely none, they were done away with. Occupy, same case. And BLM gets support from major corporations and the Democratic Party leadership, which just selected a racist, who has crafted numerous pieces of racist legislation, as its presidential candidate. Same case for Maoist antifa groups. So they’re the shock troops of the US corporate state in a campaign of terror against the American people.
On August 26, 2020 at 3:35 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@TMA,
More. See this DoD paper on small caliber lethality.
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a519801.pdf
On August 26, 2020 at 3:57 pm, FiftycalTX said:
Rittenhouse gofundme account: https://gf.me/u/yufbtn
On August 26, 2020 at 4:04 pm, HempRopeAndStreetlight said:
They yanked it down already Fifty. We need to be using subscribstar or some non-pozzed crowd-fundingoption.
On August 26, 2020 at 4:09 pm, jack said:
@herschel – your thoughts re: the vicious self-reinforcing cycle of violence mirrors what has happened for 60 years in Israel, which has only now been ameliorated because ‘the enemy of my enemy (Iran) is my friend’.
Kyle Rittenhouse’s legal problems are why I signed up for a CCW legal service (note, it’s not insurance) the moment I decided to carry a deadly weapon. Kyle was assigned a public defender which will be insufficient given the gravity of the charges against him.
At 17 years old, having just shot 3 people, he may not have the maturity or wherewithal to exercise his Miranda and 5th Amendment rights.
On August 26, 2020 at 4:27 pm, HempRopeAndStreetlight said:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/249ip7bjxc
^ The go fund me for the shitbags trying to kill Rittenhouse is running… that’s just fine with GoFundMe.
Tempted to drop him 5.00 so I can “comment…” something alone the lines of:
“You we’re a pile os uselss sh*t that made the world a worse place just by esisting. Watching the hero Rittenhouse gun you the f*ck down last night was the most fun I’ve had since I taught my niece how to kill commies.”
On August 26, 2020 at 4:39 pm, Bad_Brad said:
I believe there are Penal Codes for most, if not all, states that essentially say when the state cannot protect you, you can use what ever method needed to protect yourself and your property. I believe they also give you the right to put down/stop civil unrest. The freaken DA should be embarrassed charging this kid with murder. Shits gonna explode tonight. I hope that Militia is getting prepared.
On August 26, 2020 at 6:06 pm, Pat Hines said:
Almost a total good ending.
On August 26, 2020 at 6:43 pm, Ned2 said:
The kids arrest and charging of 1st degree murder is a virtue signal. He’ll be out as soon as the video evidence presents.
More of this please. Until there are real consequences for threatening and destroying, this will continue. Shoot them.
On August 26, 2020 at 6:51 pm, Sheepdog said:
Not sure if this site is legit but this young man needs our help…
https://fundly.com/official-kyle-rittenhouse-fund
Been on it and he’s there, if anyone knows this site, please comment.
On August 26, 2020 at 7:03 pm, Sheepdog said:
@HempRopeandStreetlight…
Save the five bucks and use for preps to…
KILL BOLSHEVIKS!
I get the anger brother, put it a container you’ll open when it’s your turn.
And by the way according to an account by Proud Boys Uncensored, the bolshevik with the missing arm meat is…
Gauge Paul Grosskreutz, 26 of Milwaukee. A convicted felon for burglary at 19 apparently.
Like his paramedic hat he was wearing during his run in with Kyle!
On August 26, 2020 at 7:35 pm, Hudson H Luce said:
Bad Brad- “driving across state lines with murderous intent”. Sure, and as prosecutor, you’d better have a brain-dead criminal defense attorney who will let you pick a jury who will swallow that line, because, as you can clearly see from the video, he was first hit with a skateboard in the head – that’s aggravated battery, or even assault with intent to kill, then knocked down, then set upon by various people in the crowd, one carrying a pistol, the same guy who got shot in the right arm, he was pictured carrying that pistol in his left hand. The kid had *every* reason to be in fear for his life, and his response was limited to that necessary to end the threat – he didn’t spray the crowd with bullets. What you saw was a proportionate response to a lethal threat. And he was given bad advice by the police he tried to surrender to – he was told to leave town and go home – which he did. So that defeats the criminal intent to flee prosecution.
On August 26, 2020 at 8:19 pm, Bad_Brad said:
Hudson H Luce
If you don’t think these assholes will try and take advantage of this kid because he crossed state lines with an illegal gun you are naive. That’s now a Federal offense and will be right where they’re headed. I don’t think you read my entire post. Totally on this kids side. But this is reality
On August 26, 2020 at 8:59 pm, RSR said:
Best photos and vids I’ve seen are here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665383/One-shot-dead-two-wounded-BLM-protesters-defy-curfew-Kenosha.html
No idea about what happened to start this/the first guy he shot, but the two dudes he shot (likely heading to cops to report that and surrender himself) — the first was beating him over the head with a skateboard and the second had a gun. Seems to be credible self-defense on both, but not familiar with WI’s laws.
On August 26, 2020 at 9:15 pm, RSR said:
jack — solid vid. Shows the first shot where he was being chased.
*Also, it appears the first guy he shot threw a molotov cocktail at him (a later vid by same youtuber): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3r2c0Lvd58
On August 26, 2020 at 9:18 pm, Hudson H Luce said:
It may not be an illegal gun: “However, Illinois also prohibits any person from knowingly transferring a firearm to any person who does not hold a FOID card. To obtain a FOID card, an individual must be over 21 years of age or have the written consent of his or her parent or legal guardian to possess and acquire any firearms and ammunition. Further, the parent or legal guardian must not be prohibited from obtaining a FOID card. Persons under age 21 also do not qualify for a FOID card if they have been convicted of a misdemeanor (other than a traffic offense) or adjudged delinquent.” So he could legally possess that rifle, if his parents provided written consent.
On August 26, 2020 at 9:27 pm, Bad_Brad said:
He still can’t cross state lines with it. What’s the Federal age for owning a rifle? 18. Look, we are on the same side here. A better defense is the state did not maintain a safe environment for it’s citizens. The state did not stop civil discourse, a riot. That opens a whole new set of parameters. If they want to charge him with possession of an illegal weapon fine. It’s a hell of a lot better than murder. Pretty Chicken Shit on the DA and COPS part. They’re still protecting Antifa/BLM.
On August 27, 2020 at 4:42 am, Hudson H Luce said:
The state has no legally enforceable duty to provide any service for any individual citizen or group of citizens – that’s the Public Duty Doctrine – “Often referred to as the “duty to all, duty to no one” doctrine, 14 the public duty doctrine provides that since government owes a duty to the public in general, it does not owe a duty to any individual citizen.15 The origins of the public duty doctrine may be traced to the United States Supreme Court’s decision in South v. Maryland.16 In determining whether a county sheriff who refused to arrest the plaintiff’s kidnappers could be held liable for his nonfeasance, the South Court held “[i]t is an undisputed principle of the common law, that for a breach of a public duty… [the sheriff] is amenable to the public, and punishable by indictment only.” 17 Thus, the Court found no cause of action arising from a breach of duty to provide police protection to an individual.” https://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2592&context=vlr
Another article states “The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their “services. “In the cases DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales, the Supreme Court has ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent.” https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again
It’s a common misconception that the state or municipalities have a legal duty to “maintain a safe environment for its citizens.” It was amusing to see the consternation on the faces of the local criminal defense bar, some of whose more liberal members were arguing in favor of restrictive gun prohibition, because the police existed to protect and serve the public and no private citizen needed guns, when I informed them that no such legally enforceable duty existed – and showed them a couple of law reviews (tablets are such handy things). They were shocked – “Then why in hell do we give police all of that tax money?”…
On August 27, 2020 at 10:23 am, HempRopeAndStreetlight said:
Revolver: Legal eagles assemble topnotch legal defense team for Kyle Rittenhouse…
https://twitter.com/llinwood/status/1298983740345999360
On August 27, 2020 at 1:26 pm, blake said:
I detest the guy with his arm blown apart is described as a “victim.”
The guy is no more a victim than someone who robs a bank and gets shot for his efforts.
On August 27, 2020 at 2:07 pm, Hudson H Luce said:
It gets better, the guy with his arm blown apart is a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. That should be good for five years in federal prison, along with whatever for assault with a deadly weapon – but there’s no evidence that the guy has even been charged, much less arrested. Looks like prosecutors up there are going after the wrong guy…
On August 27, 2020 at 6:11 pm, jack said:
It appears that Lin Wood (the lawyer who supported Nick Sandman of Covington High School fame) is taking up Kyle’s case:
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1299044828421017601:
(1) Thanks to ALL Freedom Loving Americans who responded to requests for contact information on Kyle Rittenhouse. We have connected with Kyle’s family & help is on the way. Kyle will have excellent legal representation. We owe him a legal defense.
(2) Many others will need your help in coming days. Stay strong. Continue to speak truth. Continue to demand justice under our Constitution. Continue to be fearless.
(3) Most important of all, continue to pray for your fellow citizens. Pray for our President. Pray for our country. And always, always, always #FightBack.
We will not go quietly in the night. We are Americans. Flag of United States
– Lin