Problems With The Covid Vaccine: Why A Christian Should Have Problems With It
BY Herschel Smith3 years, 12 months ago
The “fact checkers” will tell you that there are no aborted baby parts being used in the the development or generation of the Covid vaccines. This is the explanation Reuters gives.
A Facebook video discussing the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine for COVID-19 has falsely claimed it contains tissue from an aborted human foetus.
The video (here), broadcast live on Nov. 15, first shows a picture on a computer screen of the packaging for the AstraZeneca-developed COVID-19 vaccine ChAdOx1-S, also known as AZD1222. It then changes to a window showing a page of research into AZD1222, which reads: “We used direct RNA sequencing to analyse transcript expression from the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 genome in human MRC-5 and A549 cell lines that are non-permissive for vector replication alongside the replication permissive cell line, HEK293” (here) .
The user in the video then switches to a Wikipedia page for further research on this mention of MRC-5, which she points out is a cell line “originally developed from research deriving lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted Caucasian male fetus” (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRC-5) . Speaking to her audience about the composition of the vaccine, the user says: “one thing it definitely has is the lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted Caucasian male foetus.”
This is not true. AstraZeneca has confirmed to Reuters via email that AZD1222 was not developed using MRC-5 cell lines. The study, which was published on Research Square and was referred to by the Facebook user, is an independent study led by scientists at the University of Bristol (here, here) to test the efficacy of the potential vaccine prior to human trials. It tested this by observing how AZD1222 gets to work when inserted into a human cell line, ie: MRC-5 cell lines. This is not the same as developing a vaccine whereby MRC-5 is an ingredient in the final product.
AZD1222 (ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) is a weakened and non-replicating version of the common cold virus (adenovirus) taken from chimpanzees, which has been engineered to contain instructions for creating the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 – the virus that causes COVID-19 (here, here) . An article published in the journal Nature (here) says the vaccine ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 used T-Rex 293 HEK cells in the virus propagation stage. This refers to ‘human embryonic kidney’ cells, which are from a different human cell line.
Dr David Matthews, a reader of virology at Bristol University and co-author on the vaccine study, told Reuters. “Many virus vaccines are made in embryonic/foetal derived cell lines and then the vaccine is purified away from these cells to exceptionally high standards. Most of these cell lines (including MRC-5 cells and 293 cells) were derived from tissue samples taken from foetuses aborted in the 1960s and 1970s and the cells have been grown in laboratories all over the world since then.”
Gary McLean, a professor of molecular immunology at London Metropolitan University, also told Reuters that this vaccine would also be “purified” of any contaminants before being used in humans. He said: “The AstraZeneca vaccine requires the adenoviral vector to be produced in these cells and it is then purified before administering to people.”
It is not accurate to say MRC-5 cell lines are the same cells from an aborted foetus. They are cell lines that have been grown in a laboratory from a primary cell culture originally taken from a foetus. For MRC-5 specifically, this was done on a male Caucasian foetus that was electively aborted in the 1960s (here, here). There is another cell line called WI-38 that was also propagated from a foetus aborted in the 1960s.
Oregon Live answers this way.
A spokesperson for AstraZeneca confirmed to the AP that the company does not use MRC-5 cells in the development of its vaccine.
Researchers at the University of Bristol, who were independent from the vaccine’s development, injected the COVID-19 vaccine into MRC-5 cell lines as part of their own study. MRC-5 cells are what is known as an immortalized cell line, which can reproduce indefinitely.
Such cell lines are used in vaccine production to grow viruses in order to keep them from replicating. The AstraZeneca and Oxford vaccine relies on a harmless chimpanzee cold virus to carry the coronavirus spike protein into the body in order to create an immune response.
AstraZeneca did not use MRC-5 cells, but it did use a different producer cell line to develop it: Human Embryonic Kidney 293 TREX cells.
According to the University of Oxford development team, the original Human Embryonic Kidney 293 cells were taken from the kidney of an aborted fetus in 1973, but the cells used now are clones of the original cells. Dr. Deepak Srivastava, president of Gladstone Institutes and former president of the International Society for Stem Cell Research, said fetal cell lines were critical in developing hepatitis, measles and chickenpox vaccines.
“What’s important for the public to know even if they are opposed to the use of fetal cells for therapies, these medicines that are being made and vaccines do not contain any aspect of the cells in them,” Srivastava said. “The cells are used as factories for production.”
The “Bioethics Observatory” also has an assessment of this. The discussions above are unnecessarily complicated, because they differentiate between the actual stem cells of the aborted babies, and what they are calling the “immortalized cell lines,” which are not directly of the baby, but rather, are produced by cells from the aborted baby.
At least Roman Catholic churches see the problem (note, I am not Roman Catholic, I am protestant, and more specifically, a traditional Calvinist).
“There’s a lot of concern and interest in this issue — what’s the vaccine going to look like? What kind of moral choices are we going to have before us?” said Greg Schleppenbach, the associate director of Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
At issue is the use of cells derived from human fetal tissue to discover, develop and test medical innovation — something scientists agree is often necessary in the most groundbreaking medical advances.
Recent polling reveals a split amongst Americans: roughly 6 in 10 adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 38% say it should be illegal in all or most cases.
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Conservative groups long-opposed to abortion have advocated against what they call “ethically problematic” fetal material — tissue obtained via elected termination of pregnancy, and cell lines descendent from them.
It’s not a simple ask (sic, ‘task’): some of the most commonly used cell lines in medical research originated that way. The experimental antibody treatment from Regeneron that was taken by Trump to treat COVID-19 was developed using cells derived originally from human kidney tissue taken from an aborted fetus in the 1970s. Several of the vaccine candidates for the virus also use that line.
The cells from that tissue, the HEK293T cell line, have continued to divide and grow in a culture, and have been used in scientific discovery, for decades.
Regeneron says it does not consider the treatment to have relied on fetal tissue, since the cells were acquired so long ago.
They “are considered ‘immortalized’ cells (not stem cells) and are a common and widespread tool in research labs,” a Regeneron spokesperson told ABC in a statement. The cell line “wasn’t used in any other way, and fetal tissue was not used in this research.”
The church has for more than 2000 years held that life begins at conception. This isn’t the first time we’ve faced issues with euthanasia. Abortifacients (chemical agents) were in use during the days of the Greek empire, as well as the Roman empire at the time of Christ.
Jeremiah 1:5 is important, stating “”Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.” This should suffice for the reader, but if it doesn’t, another hundred verses, all read perfectly within context, could be produced.
But rather than explain the case against abortion, or trying to convince someone that life begins at conception, the main point is that Christians believe that life begins at conception based on the Scripture, regardless of what anyone else believes.
A simple denial that the cells from aborted babies were used to develop the vaccine isn’t sufficient. What they are calling the “immortalized cell lines” wouldn’t exist if not for the original cell lines from the aborted baby.
The answers given by the fact checkers are almost amusing in their stupidity. Answering in the way they do betrays an abject ignorance of classical Christian theology, assuming that a mere reference to the product of a product of an aborted baby removes it from the Biblical considerations that would be applied to the product of an aborted baby. Such silly mental machinations are sufficient for people who do not believe in anything, but not for committed Christians.
Vaccines were not always developed this way, so it’s possible not to have done this. That isn’t what they’ve chosen to do. We shouldn’t claim that someone who gets the vaccine has committed a sin from which God cannot forgive. God can forgive anyone for anything they’ve done conditioned upon confession to Him and a contrite heart.
This isn’t about that. For me, this is about me, my faith, what I believe, and what I’m willing to do. Who am I, what kind of man am I, and what kind of faith do I have, if I claim to believe certain things, and under just a little bit of pressure, jettison those doctrines in favor of what the world is doing?
No, this is about strengthening and displaying my own faith. It is both a building block, and a test at the same time. I said earlier that I am a committed Calvinist. I do not intend to jump off of a building and dare God to catch me. That would be tempting God, and it is a sin. But I will not perish one nanosecond before my time is complete, and I will not live one nanosecond after my time on earth is complete. My days are numbered, just as the hairs on my head (both of which are disappearing). It is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment. My appointed time was written down before I was ever born. Nothing can bring it sooner than that, and nothing can delay it.
On a related note, it’s amazing the cavalier nature with which “researchers” today are treating humans (whom they see as animals, not made in God’s image).
Baby Mary might have been born and grown up to become the medical researcher who discovered the cure for cancer, but instead she was aborted in the 18th week of her mother’s pregnancy.
But despite being aborted, Baby Mary today still has a role in medical research. Or at least a piece of her scalp does. When Baby Mary was killed in her mother’s womb and her tiny body dismembered, a piece of her scalp containing hair follicles was sold on the fetal tissue gray market.
As a result, part of Baby Mary may now be found growing on the body of a laboratory rodent, thanks to researchers at the University of Pittsburgh. Here are photos of some of their work in progress …
There are of course other problems with the Covid vaccine.
- The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
- The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
- The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
Hospital workers have had allergic reactions to the vaccine, and the Sydney Morning Herald explains why Australia is having problems with its own brand of the vaccine.
A billion-dollar deal for the Morrison government to buy more than 50 million doses of the University of Queensland’s potential coronavirus vaccine has been abruptly terminated after several trial participants returned false positive HIV test results.
UQ, working in partnership with Australian global biotech company CSL, will abandon its current clinical trials following the discovery. It informed the federal government of the initial data on Monday, which was then referred to health authorities for urgent medical advice.
“False” positives, they are claiming.
Sources with knowledge of the current trials said pathology tests had in the past weeks confirmed the positives were in fact false and the health of the participants has not been put at risk.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the national security committee of cabinet agreed to terminate the purchasing agreement on Thursday, following expert health advice and fears the revelation would severely damage the Australian public’s confidence in the COVID-19 vaccination program, which is expected to begin early next year.
“We have prepared for this. We have planned for this. And now we’re making decisions in accordance with this,” he said on Friday morning.
He said the government had “spread the risk” by entering into multiple agreements and had secured 20 million new doses from Oxford University-AstraZeneca and another 11 million from Novavax to cover for the 51 million doses the home-grown product was to supply.
“The net out-take of this is we are more likely to have the entire population vaccinated earlier rather than later by the ability to bring this manufacturing capability forward,” Mr Morrison said.
The UQ vaccine candidate used a protein and adjuvant platform, containing the COVID-19 spike protein and a “molecular clamp”. A small component is derived from the human immunodeficiency virus, known as HIV, that is not able to infect people or replicate.
A source with knowledge of the clinical results said although the HIV protein fragment posed “absolutely no health risk to people”, they had identified that some trial participants who received the vaccine produced a partial antibody response to it.
The partial antibody response had the potential to interfere with some HIV screening tests that look for the antibodies – leading to a false positive test result. It is unclear how long participants would continue to return false positive results.
The source said although all participants had been told there was a remote possibility HIV markers could be found in tests during the trial, medical researchers had not expected it to occur.
The allergic reactions to the vaccine might be coming from the fact that this is a messenger RNA vaccine (the mRNA tricks the DNA into producing the spike protein of the virus), and to date no article I’ve found explains how this system is turned off rather than cascades and continues.
The article from Australia is noteworthy in its honesty (at least, its partial honesty). I don’t believe these are necessarily “false” positive tests, but either way, there is HIV in the spike protein. We’ve known that for a very long time now. But I challenge readers to find a single article published in America that admits that there is HIV in the spike protein. Doing so would be tantamount to an admission that this virus isn’t zoonotic, but rather, engineered in a laboratory. It might also convince the American people not to take the vaccine.
In summary, this all explains why I will not be taking the vaccine. Every man and woman must make his or her own decisions, but for the Christian, there are special considerations.
On December 20, 2020 at 11:30 pm, Hudson H Luce said:
And it looks like they’re anticipating bad results: “The Huffington Post reported on Monday that Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin is joining GOP senators in backing corporate immunity legislation. A draft of the legislative language obtained by The Daily Poster includes provisions that would:
Shield companies from all coronavirus-related actions retroactively — for at least one year, or until the pandemic is over — except in cases of “gross negligence.” Most coronavirus-related lawsuits would be forced into federal courts, which are considered more friendly to business interests.
Restrict the enforcement of longstanding laws such as the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 when companies say they are attempting to comply with governments’ coronavirus guidance.
Empower the United States Attorney General to deem coronavirus-related lawsuits from workers, customers and attorneys “meritless” and then file civil actions against them as retribution. In order to “vindicate the public interest,” courts would be allowed to fine respondents up to $50,000.
Shield health care executives from lawsuits through language copied word-for-word from a statute passed in New York by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo amid a spate of COVID deaths in that state’s nursing homes.
“Substantially Immunizing Businesses From Risky Conduct”
The legislation defines gross negligence as “a conscious, voluntary act or omission in reckless disregard of (A) a legal duty; (B) the consequences to another party; and (C) applicable government standards and guidance.”
“We are wiping out the laws of negligence,” said Michael Duff, a former National Labor Relations Board official who is now a professor at the University of Wyoming College of Law. “As a practical matter, we are substantially immunizing businesses from risky conduct.”
“What they want to do in this bill is throw every lawsuit out before it conceivably gets to a jury,” he said. “It means that a judge has the authority to dismiss a case right upfront. Because there’s no way that plaintiffs are going to be able to meet this standard — gross negligence.”
He added that the provision empowering the Attorney General to punish plaintiffs “is a bald-faced threat of reprisal for having the temerity to pursue rights.” https://www.dailyposter.com/p/senate-proposal-would-retroactively
On December 21, 2020 at 7:27 am, Matt Bracken said:
“The allergic reactions to the vaccine might be coming from the fact that this is a messenger RNA vaccine (the mRNA tricks the DNA into producing the spike protein of the virus), and to date no article I’ve found explains how this system is turned off rather than cascades and continues.
“The article from Australia is noteworthy in its honesty (at least, its partial honesty). I don’t believe these are necessarily “false” positive tests, but either way, there is HIV in the spike protein. We’ve known that for a very long time now. But I challenge readers to find a single article published in America that admits that there is HIV in the spike protein. Doing so would be tantamount to an admission that this virus isn’t zoonotic, but rather, engineered in a laboratory. It might also convince the American people not to take the vaccine.”
What a leap into the unknown! I’m old enough to have seen some of these Thalidomide children. Also, 3 of my sisters born in the 1950s found out they could never have children as adults, because my mom took an FDA-approved morning-sickness medicine called DES, Diethylstilbestrol. But let’s give these pharma corporations immunity in advance.
I encourage folks to take a quick look at these thumbnail images of Thalidomide babies, and ponder how in the world anybody can state with certainty that there can not be terrible consequences from vaccinating 100s of millions of people with different versions of a novel mRNA vaccine that was developed in 9 months in a wide variety of laboratories.
Remember, it’s not just the effects on the people given the vaccine that must be considered, but also the effects upon their yet to be conceived children down the road.
Thalidomide children:
https://www.google.com/search?q=thalidomide+children&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiAguz5iN_tAhURcqwKHdJZArYQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=thalidomide+children&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzICCAAyAggAMgIIADIGCAAQBRAeMgYIABAIEB4yBggAEAgQHjIECAAQGDoECCMQJzoFCAAQsQM6BAgAEB5Q0Z4BWJK-AWC2wAFoAHAAeACAAW2IAbUKkgEEMTEuM5gBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=UpTgX4CRK5HksQXSs4mwCw&bih=1076&biw=2133&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS586US587
On December 21, 2020 at 9:32 am, Bill said:
I’m a Healthcare worker. I asked a infectious disease Dr if the vaccine was safe for people with a autoimmune disease. He just gave me a thumbs up. I Googled it later, it said nobody with autoimmune disease was even tested. I’m not taking it.
On December 21, 2020 at 10:12 am, Dov Sar said:
Excellent article. Thank you for putting it all together. And Bracken’s links are very helpful. I am trying to get this information out to young women in my life who want this vax, and this is a very convincing argument.
On December 21, 2020 at 10:38 am, Uncouth Bounder said:
Just read that a sample of Coca-Cola tested positive for beer flu in Australia and a nurse in the UK passed away after taking the jab.
Also some comrades are more equal than others and “old white people” will be last in line.
It could be a trap and the rough n’ tough maskeraders are welcome to go first as vaccine fodder.
I’ll pass on the mark or some Frankenstein concoction rushed into production when vaccines usually take years and huge test groups in the study.
Who owns the patents that has been on the books for years?
Do a little searching and you’ll find the usual unelected self-appointed masters of the universe all have financial stakes in the vax.
On December 21, 2020 at 10:35 pm, JoeFour said:
Here’s a concise discussion of vaccines that brings into question all of the conventional wisdom concerning their use:
https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/19/vaccinessavetheworld
On December 22, 2020 at 1:51 am, Archer said:
Maybe I’m oversimplifying the “fact-check”, and maybe I’m too cynical from the Politico and WaPo “fact-checkers”, but I read their explanation about the aborted-fetal lung tissue and what my mind is saying is, “The claim that the virus was developed using aborted-fetal lung tissue is false. They used aborted-fetal kidney tissue.”
Pretending the outrage were over using lung tissue, when they damn well know it’s over using aborted-fetal tissue.
As for the vaccine itself, we’re not getting it, either. And anyone trying to force it will be dealt with as if committing any other kind of forcible assault.
In addition to the unbelievable audacity in thinking we can reprogram God’s design to do something God never intended (human cells manufacturing viral spike proteins), the sheer volume of unknowns (most of which seem intentionally left unknown) is terrifying; we’ve seen/read enough science fiction to know it’s highly unlikely it will go as well as they think. The human tests were problematic — side effects were much more pronounced and severe than they admit — and that was after screening out every volunteer with any health issue, and only testing on perfectly healthy individuals. They didn’t get ideal results even after stacking the deck, and now they’re pushing it for everyone?
No, and not just no: Hell, no!
On December 22, 2020 at 11:39 am, Dirk said:
Rather snort a line of “Drano”, then receive a shot of this toxic brew!. Well done!.
Dirt
On December 24, 2020 at 11:06 am, John said:
I find it murderously ironic that the Margeret Sanger admirers (Left) are insisting
that the first shots go to “people of color” who, not being stupid, are having the
images of the Tuskeegee Airmen debacle bouncing around in their heads.
On February 1, 2021 at 2:28 pm, Sanders said:
I don’t know if you’ve seen this, yet –
Dr Lee Merit: The Vaxx is preparing the world for a MASS DEATH EVENT
https://fromrome.info/2021/01/31/dr-lee-merit-coronavirus-vaccines-are-lethal/
On February 1, 2021 at 2:37 pm, Sanders said:
@Matt Bracken – Re: Thalidomide babies. I remember the flipper hand kids when I was in grade school and Jr. High. One was a good friend of mine, and one summer his parents got the webbing between his fingers removed. We thought it wasn’t fair, as the webbed fingers were pretty cool.
But there were also some kids who had horribly deformed limbs. Hands on the shoulder with no arms, and another kid who couldn’t walk because his legs were twisted. Adults would say the kids were born that way because their parents smoked dope. Well, I never smoked dope because that was a pretty scary example. Plus, the family with those two kids lived up the road from us in a teepee in the desert and were hippies. So, the dope smoking was easy to believe.
I had two friends with leukemia. Don’t know if it was due to thalidomide or not. They both died before high school.
The thing is, none of those deformed kids made it to high school, either. I don’t know what happened to them, but I never saw them in high school.
On February 1, 2021 at 2:44 pm, Sisu said:
@John, It is not “ironic”; it is a “tell”. … I have read elsewhere that “people of color” are rejecting the vaccine in large percentages. …
On a related news note – when I read Gitmo prisoners were being given “priority to receive” I immediately wondered if enough time has passed that defense of those criminals was no longer of practical use to the Dems.
On February 16, 2021 at 9:16 am, Mike said:
Watch what a MD in Ohio has to say about it, do not get it!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rBzkhuPg75QV/
On February 26, 2021 at 7:59 pm, Ned2 said:
It’s not a vaccine. Vaccines prevent the transmission of the disease. Those getting the vaccine can still get Covid.
DO NOT TAKE THIS. It will kill you.