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1. On December 15, 2021 at 1:58 pm, Randy said:

   One of the worst instructors I’ve ever seen! You do realize that pointing a loaded firearms at another person is a crime, right? Pointing a loaded firearm at another person IS NOT a “ready position”.

   If you point a loaded firearm at me, you just given me legal authorization / justification to shoot you dead on the spot.

   A true “ready position” means you ARE NOT pointing a gun at another person’s body in any way shape, or form–not their toes, not their shins, and not their legs legs.

   https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/is-it-a-crime-to-point-a-gun-at-someone/

2. On December 15, 2021 at 2:16 pm, DoD_refugee said:

   Randy, that webpage looks different to the rest of us.
   https://public.findlaw.com/LCsearch.html#?cludoquery=Is%20Randy%20a%20dick%3F&cludopage=1&cludorefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.findlaw.com%2Flegalblogs%2Fcriminal-defense%2Fis-it-a-crime-to-point-a-gun-at-someone%2F&cludorefpt=Is%20It%20a%20Crime%20to%20Point%20a%20Gun%20at%20Someone%3F%20-%20FindLaw&cludoinputtype=standard

   My guess is a resounding YES

3. On December 15, 2021 at 3:24 pm, Randy said:

   DoD Refugee:

   What’s your point? The law does not apply to you? **I’m not a lawyer.**

   I was however an 11B4P at one time, and I damn well know the difference between the applicable laws inside the United States, and the ROEs for Mogadishu. Do you?

4. On December 16, 2021 at 2:20 pm, Echo Hotel said:

   Randy, help me out here. At what point in the video does he point the firearm at another person?

5. On December 16, 2021 at 4:40 pm, Randy said:

   The paper target is a simulated person (human body)!!!

   All the instructor needed to do was to teach his students both “high ready” and “low ready” properly. If both ready positions are taught properly, the student understands that the firearm IS NOT pointed at a human body AT ALL, in any manner.

   When I go into a low ready position, my muzzle is pointed down at the ground, and pointed approximately one foot (or more!!) in front of the target’s feet. At no time in low ready do I point my muzzle at any part of the “target’s” body.

   As I remember, Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch used to teach “low ready” as well as any one I ever seen. I’m seeing instructors these days more and more want to “cheat” on low ready by cutting corners, and not giving low ready the respect it deserves to help new shooters stay out of trouble or “get it right” based of both 1) safety and 2) the law.

6. On December 16, 2021 at 8:47 pm, Echo Hotel said:

   Oh, that’s right. The target they are intending to shoot.

   Doesn’t he very clearly say in the video that the ready position can vary dramatically depending on your line of work, environment, etc. and that for the purposes of the discussion the ready position is the point where the hands come together in a ‘draw stroke’?

   Also, I just watched a video of Clint Smith saying pretty much the same thing (line of work, environment, etc.).

7. On December 16, 2021 at 9:17 pm, Randy said:

   If it’s a target you’ve decided to shoot, pointing the weapon at the target would be part of your draw stroke, right? You have DECIDED to shot. If you have not DECIDED to shoot, you should be at a high ready or low ready, because you HAVE NOT decided to shoot. Again, ***pointing a loaded firearm at another person is a CRIME if your an armed civilian!

   https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/is-it-a-crime-to-point-a-gun-at-someone/

   Conflating what the police do with what an armed civilian (CCW, constitutional carry) should do is bad business and sloppy thinking, IMO. Should we also be teaching armed civilians that they have a “duty to pursue”? Why not? If we’re going start conflating on “A”, why would we not starting conflating on “B” as well? Where does it stop?

   If you’re not currently certified law enforcement, stop pretending that you are. If you’re just a “CCW-person”, be the best “CCW-person” you can be by knowing the law and acting accordingly.

8. On December 16, 2021 at 9:48 pm, Echo Hotel said:

   It IS part of the draw stroke. I know this because he SAYS SO in the video which you clearly did not watch, or maybe you watched but you sure as shit did not listen.

   Let’s see if I can dumb this down for you, being an awesome 11B32Cwhoopitydeedee (seriously, no one gives a shit). There are a several steps in going from a ‘holstered’ gun to firing that gun at your intended target. Imagine that in the video we are picking up from step 3 (or 4 or whatever, it doesn’t matter) and then completing the process by firing at the target.

   Again, I know this because he tells me at :18 to :45.

9. On December 16, 2021 at 11:55 pm, Randy said:

   Echo Hotel: It’s a free country, do it however you want. If you’re sure you’re right, what is there to talk about.

   If you’ve decide to shoot, then shoot and quit jacking around. If you have not decided to shoot, then you have no business pointing a loaded weapon at another human being as an armed civilian.

   If you have not decided to shoot, you are drawing the weapon out of the holster only to go into a high or low ready. But you don’t get to point the weapon at another person while you’re debating in your mind as to what it is you’re actually going to do.

   If you’re a police officer, follow departmental policy. If not, I suggest you follow the law to the best of your ability.

10. On December 17, 2021 at 12:02 am, Herschel Smith said:

    Sometimes (oftentimes) angles in 3D can get very messed up when viewing them in 2D.

11. On December 17, 2021 at 10:39 pm, Randy said:

    Herschel: I have no idea what that means. But I do understand the article below:

    https://pulptastic.com/michigan-couple-charged-for-pointing-a-gun-at-black-mother-two-daughters/

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