Can Over-Lubrication Cause an AR-15 To Malfunction?
BY Herschel Smith3 years, 7 months ago
I can’t really think of a single reason they would be.
This is an interesting game he sets up. I do think he’s tilted the choice by stipulating an optic on one of the rifles, but be that as it may, I would still make my choice, and it would be some combination of the two.
The L1A1 should be in the hands of one DM, while on the other hand, if your enemy is the size you think he is, you’d better be able to lay down good, rapid, accurate fires. For that, nothing else will do except the M-16. Everyone else in the small unit gets an M-16.
Readers are invited to weigh in on what they do.
Because it just is. It’s the best battle rifle ever invented. The AK isn’t even a close contender. Due to DoD stupidity concerning rifle cleaning, bad instructions and training to troops, and ammunition powders strictly forbidden by Eugene Stoner, it didn’t start out that way.
But there is no question today, and my own son’s life depended on the gun (and he had the utmost confidence in it). Also, ask SpecOps why they rejected the SCAR and went back to a “proven” firearm like the AR.
I confess I hadn’t thought of that as a quick tip for checking bolt gas rings. Also, the ejection pattern of the casings was a useful discussion.
In previous posts we’ve discussed barrel twist and stabilization of heavier 5.56mm rounds. I’d say that 1:9 twist is just fine for 77 grain bullets based on his results. Then again, Rock River Arms makes good machines.
Okay, whatever.
I see this the same way as I do the stupid KeyMod versus M-LOK debate. It’s a waste of time. Find the sling you want, practice with it, mount the sling where you want, get the optic you want, practice with it, make it modular to the extent you need, dress it up the way you want to, and ignore everyone else because your choices are what matter.
The only expert on what you want is you. Why on earth, after building rifles that are the ultimate in modularity, adjustability, adaptability and flexibility, does the community want to force everyone into sameness?
Daniel Defense.
If you’ve done any online research on which type of rail to get for your AR, you’ve probably come across more than one article, forum, or video proclaiming that KeyMod rails are dying or, in the opinion of some, already dead. But is it true?
First off, let’s be clear about one thing—there are plenty of firearms out there equipped with KeyMod rails, including the Daniel Defense DDM4ISR, so the rail system is not being called dying or dead by some because you can no longer find or buy it. There are also still plenty of accessories from many different manufacturers available for KeyMod rails. So, those using terms like “dying” or “dead” are referring to KeyMod’s status compared to that of its main competitor, the M-LOK rail. But KeyMod, M-LOK, and Picatinny rails are all viable options for an AR rail. Which is why all three types are manufactured and sold by Daniel Defense.
The Origin of KeyMod’s So-Called Death
KeyMod was developed by VLTOR and released in 2012, so it had roughly three years to gain some traction before MAGPUL released its M-LOK system in 2015.
I’ve said before that KeyMod was designed by Noveske and M-LOK by Magpul. As noted above, this isn’t quite the case. KeyMod was designed by VLTOR and released through Noveske, soon becoming open source.
Unlike a Picatinny rail, which is a “positive” or “male” system and can be bulky, sharp, and tough on the hands, both KeyMod and M-LOK rails are lower-profile “negative” or “female” systems. For those of you not familiar with either system, here’s a brief description of how they work:
- KeyMod works by inserting an accessory’s mounting nuts through the large holes of key-shaped slots (which resemble slots in industrial shelving) in the handguard. You then slide the accessory forward, into the smaller front portion of the slot, and tighten the mounting bolts.
- M-LOK works by inserting the “T-nuts” of an accessory through slots in the handguard and then tightening the bolts on the accessory. This rotates the T-nuts 90 degrees and locks the accessory in place.
As you might imagine, as with any new gun accessory, as the systems were introduced, there were fans of both, and many weren’t shy about pronouncing their choice superior to all others. For a couple of years, these two systems went mano e mano as a lighter-weight, lower-profile option to a Picatinny rail as the debate raged on.
But then, in 2016, the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division, conducted testing that compared KeyMod and M-LOK head-to-head. You can view the details of the test and the results here, but suffice it to say that M-LOK fared better than KeyMod in testing categories that included repeatability, endurance, rough handling, a drop test, and failure load.
After Crane’s test results were presented in May of 2017, many considered the debate over and pronounced M-LOK the superior choice. But does one study really spell the death of an entire rail system? Daniel Defense obviously thinks not, for the following reasons:
1. Most AR Owners Are Not Members of the Special Ops Community
The study conducted by Crane was at the behest of USSOCOM, to determine which rail system might best meet their needs. But, if you’re a recreational shooter, chances are you’re not going to put the rail on your rifle through the same level of use and abuse as elite military professionals. While it’s true that many consumers want to use the same gear as military and law enforcement pros, for the vast majority of shooters, a KeyMod rail is going to perform flawlessly.
2. KeyMod Accessories Don’t Protrude as far into the Rail as M-LOK Accessories
The bolts that tighten the mounting nuts of a KeyMod accessory do not protrude through the rail as physically far as the bolts that tighten the T-nuts of an M-LOK accessory, so a KeyMod rail can fit snugger and be closer to the barrel of a firearm.
This may not sound like much of an issue, but on firearms with very little clearance between the barrel and the rail, it can be—especially if the bolt of an M-LOK T-nut were to protrude far enough to actually touch the barrel and affect its harmonics. Which is precisely why a KeyMod MFR XL 15” rail is used on the DDM4ISR, which features a suppressor as an integral part of the barrel.
“The way M-LOK fasteners on accessories attach to the handguard, they would interfere with the suppressor tube underneath the handguards,” explains Daniel Defense Law Enforcement Sales Manager Joe Marler. “You cannot mount an M-LOK accessory where that suppressor tube is present. KeyMod accessories have very low-profile fasteners, and that’s the reason we use a KeyMod rail.”
Mr. GunsnGear explains the same thing in his YouTube review of the DDM4ISR at about the 11:30 mark of this 24-minute review. He also backs up our #1 point with his review when he states, “For 99.9% of the people out there, KeyMod is going to be just fine. KeyMod has been used by special operations units around the world, and nobody died because of KeyMod.”
I didn’t even look up the purported 2016 report and don’t care what’s in it. Nor do I think this has anything to do with whether you intend on trying out for JSOC. You can find a report to tell you anything you want to hear.
The whole debate is childish in my opinion, or a different way of saying it is that while I think the DD article is informative and good, to say that one approach is “dead” reeks of marketing lies to me.
I think it comes down to what you want to use. For me, I’ve seen the T-nuts on M-LOK wiggle loose and parts fall off, and that’s after aggressive tightening. I think they’re harder to install, and finally, KeyMod is lighter by design.
KeyMod works with less forend metal (with its cutouts) without creating a stress concentration point from sharp edges.
I prefer KeyMod. Others prefer M-LOK. Buy what you want, but don’t get swept into hours of reading to determine what “experts” prefer. Figure out what’s best for you.
Before I graduated from high school, I overheard the older brother of a close friend talking about shooting a bear. The bear had been discovered in a den, during the Wisconsin deer season. As I recall, in 1968, such a harvest would have been legal.
The older brother was a Vietnam veteran. He approached the den with another vet. The brother suggested the other vet poke into the den to see if the bear were still there.
The other veteran said no, he would not do it. The brother said, well, in Vietnam, you went into holes to get Charlie.
Whereupon, the other veteran said: yes, but I had a different rifle then. (speaking of the M16).
He considered the M16 a superior gun for close-range bear defense than the common 30-30, whether Winchester 94 or Marlin 336.
At the time, I thought it strange someone would prefer a .223 semi-automatic rifle to a 30-30 or larger caliber rifle.
50 years and considerable time investigating actual defensive shootings of bears later, my opinion has become less certain.
Of the defensive bear shootings I have found, four of them were with rifles reasonably characterized as semi-automatic civilian versions of popular military rifles.
All four defensive shootings were successful. Modern sporting rifles most commonly are AR15 or AK47 style semi-automatic rifles. They are the most popular rifles in today’s America. It is certain more bears will be shot with them in the future. Here are the four incidents …
I would absolutely feel safe anywhere in North America with an AR-15, including against bears, as long as I had a standard capacity magazine full of ammunition.