I had never really thought of bolt throw in the practical terms he discusses it, i.e., interference with scopes and mounts. That seems to be basically the only reason it really matters unless you’re really into the mechanics of bolt lugs and how they fit up. Let me know in the comments if you disagree.
For the record, I could listen to Ryan Muckenhirn discuss tying his shoe for an hour and it would be interesting to me. But even more interesting would be to get an invitation to a hunt with him. Any kind of hunt – pronghorn, upland birds, anything.
There is a 150-grain hunting bullet that at 100 yards will penetrate at least 23 inches and expand as much or more than either with similar bullets. Not only that, but it will do so while producing just 13 foot-pounds of recoil energy when fired from a 7-pound rifle. That’s 6 and 11 foot-pounds less than the .308 and .30/06, respectively. So, what is miracle cartridge? It’s the .30/30 Winchester.
How could the ancient .30/30 possibly outperform two 30-caliber cartridges that are considered by many to be the best big-game cartridges of all time? The answer is simpler than you might think. With conventional bullets, the higher velocities of the .308 and .30/06 cause more bullet erosion, which reduces weight, and in turn, penetration.
You might argue that the higher impact velocities of the latter tend to create more tissue damage. That’s true, and if sufficient penetration is reached by all three of these, the ones fired from the .308 and .30/06 might in fact put an animal down faster. But not any deader, and none of that is quantifiable. What really counts is penetration …
In his 1970s book, The Hunting Rifle, Jack O’Connor talked about an old hand he’d encountered who’d hunted Wyoming, Montana, and the Yukon, and typically took 17 or 18 elk with a single box (20 rounds) of .30/30 ammo. He told O’Connor that a moose, lung shot with a .30/30, would run about 75 to 100 yards and die. Well before that, African professional hunter Wally Johnson took a .30/30 Winchester to Africa and used it to kill lions. The effectiveness of the .30/30 Winchester on big game should never be questioned; it has more than a century of proof sanctioning it.
Given the untold numbers of deer taken with Winchester Model 94s and Marlin 336s over the last century, it should come as a bit of a shock that some of today’s younger hunters will ask: Is the .30/30 good for deer hunting? Um, yes. For decades and decades, it was consider the deer cartridge.
Right on. Preach it!
The normally reliable Ron Spomer did a recent video favorably comparing the 300 Blackout to the 30-30. It’s so wrong in my opinion that I’m not even linking it.
The 300 BO has a 125 grain bullet travelling at 2215 FPS. The box of 30-30 I’m looking at now shows a 150 grain bullet travelling at 2390 FPS. 25 grains and 175 FPS is enough difference to make a difference. Remember, the energy computation squares the velocity.
This comes via Ken’s site. It should be a daily stop for you.
Remarks: Listen carefully to what the CEO said when they brought the idea for the predecessor to the Model 70 to him. In my own experience, CEOs rarely if ever make good or right decisions for companies. It would nearly always be better to put major company decisions up to a vote of the employees, bit a second option would be to use a random number generator to make company decisions. It would usually be better than what corporate officers decide.
Slav Guns has this fun video of unboxing of his new Savage 110 Switchback, which apparently was only built in a limited run and only available through Sportsman’s Warehouse. He obviously intends to remove the action and put it inside a chassis.
One commenter remarks, “I’m waiting for the Ruger Predator.” I didn’t know they were intending to build a 6mm ARC bolt action gun, but he might have meant the Savage 110 Carbon Predator, which is available in 6mm ARC. He said that the Savage 110 Tactical was being built in a 16″ or 18″ barrel, defeating the point of the 6mm ARC. The Savage 100 Carbon Predator is also being built with a 18″ barrel.
Field & Stream has an article up on low recoil deer cartridges. Their list is as follows.
.223 Remington
.224 Valkyrie
.243 Winchester
.257 Roberts
.25-06 Remington
.260 Remington
6.5×55 Swedish
6.5 Creedmoor
6.8 Remington SPC
7mm-08 Remington
.30-30 Winchester
350 Legend
It’s beyond me how you could write an article on the best low recoil deer cartridges and not mention 6mm ARC, using a bullet twice the weight of the 5.56/.223, essentially the same velocity, with only slightly more recoil.
Perhaps it’s the lack of viable bolt action rifles in this round, but you can still use an AR for the hunt. Grendel Hunter has as many or more 6mm ARC uppers as they do 6.5 Grendel.
I remain disappointed at the slow adoption of this cartridge.
The writer has it at (5) Lee-Enfield, (4) AR-15/M-16, (3) Mauser Gewehr 98 / Karabiner 98k, (2) Mosin-Nagant, and (1) AK-47 and derivatives.
They don’t do much in the way of producing evidence for their assertions and I have my doubts. For example, who is to know how they counted AR-15s/M-16s? If you sum the total deployed to SE Asia, Iraq, Afghanistan, other armies across the globe, and AR-15 and variants, including upper and lower receivers sold separately, would you have come up with their number of 20 million? I seriously doubt it. I think there have been more than 20 million full ARs sold in America just in the civilian market alone.
However, it’s worth nothing that the gun that was built for conscripts (AK) who didn’t know how to shoot and didn’t want to mechanically understand the gun has been quite successful.
That’s one observation that should be made, of course, that genius Eugene Stoner designed his rifle for the professional soldier who needed MOA or sub-MOA performance, and wanted to understand how to work on his rifle. As it is said, the AR is an MOA gun, while the AK is a minute-of-man gun.
Furthermore, America was built, at least up until the 1980s or so, with garage, backyard and farm mechanics working on cars, gun, and machines of all sorts, repairing them, cleaning them, and making them better. Eugene Stoner knew this, I suspect, and didn’t worry too much that it was “too professional” of a rifle for the professional soldier.
From my point of view, Stoner understood the AK about as well as Kalashnikov did. Watch and tell me I’m wrong.
Here are the preceding two videos of Stoner and Kalashnikov at the range (Link 1 and Link 2). One day I’ll embed the entire Eugene Stoner tape library for viewing.
Outdoor Life has an article entitled The Best Scope Rings of 2022. They go the spectrum from Seekins to Night Force, from Zeiss to Leupold. As for prices, they go from budget (just over $50) to around $500.
That’s what I’ve noticed about this market – the massive divide in price point. Precision Rifle Blog has a rundown of what the long range competition shooters use, and as anyone might guess, it leans towards the pricey end of things with Nightforce being the most prominent of the choices.
Spuhr makes some very expensive mounts/rings too, mostly in the range of $400, up to $500 for quick detach mounts (which in my book are preferable to fixed mounts and rings).
What are the experiences of our readers? Do you find much difference between moderately priced rings and the pricey ones? Which ones do you prefer, and why?
I find that the really cheap ones are really cheap and not much worth having.
Finding a rifled choke tube isn’t particularly difficult for most common thread patterns, such as the Remington RemChoke, Benelli Crio Plus, Beretta/Benelli (Mobil), Beretta Optima HP, Browning Invector and Invector Plus, and Winchester Win Choke. At this time, Browning appears to be the only gunmaker that sells them direct to consumer (as accessories); there’s no need to fret, as aftermarket companies, and particularly Carlson’s Choke Tubes, cover those mentioned above and then some. Options in 12 gauge typically outnumber those in 20.
As with choke tubes offering varying degrees of constriction, rifled models are, at times, available in flush-fitting and extended configurations, though the latter are now conventional. I haven’t found one length to outperform the other, but the extra length of an extended model definitely aids the installation and removal process. Given that many slugs—including those featuring a sabot—can be used with fully rifled barrels and rifled choke tubes, it’s unsurprising that the twist rate of both are similar, if not identical. For instance, a 1:35-inch twist rate is commonly employed in 12 gauge.
While there is ammunition that plays nicely with both fully rifled barrels and rifled choke tubes, some is outright incompatible with the latter. When the manufacture states, “Use in fully rifled barrels only,” or something similar, heed their warning. Avoid that load. Unfortunately, such cautions are common to the highest-performing—and flattest shooting—slugs, but that’s simply the tradeoff associated with going the rifled-choke-tube route.
Provided there’s no warning, or the ammunition box reads, “Suitable for use in smoothbore and rifled shotguns with any choke,” or an analogous message, that slug is safe for use through your rifled choke tube. Most will be of the traditional, full-diameter, Foster-type design or Brenneke’s improved version, though there are sabot slugs that can be utilized in rifled choke tubes, too. Examples of the latter are Winchester’s Super-X BRI Sabot Slug, a favorite of mine, and Brenneke’s new Topas, which pairs a blue, 12-gauge wad with a Brenneke-style, lead-alloy, 16-gauge slug. That’s only the beginning, too.
I found this to be a very helpful article. A day or two ago I watched Ron Spomer discuss rifled slugs, and I was a bit confused until I figured out we’re talking about two different things between the article above and Ron – rifled slugs that don’t spin versus rifled chokes that do spin a slug.
Anyway, I’m not a slug shooter so this was a learning experience for me.
Team Beretta shooters recently achieved 14 podium finishes during the 2022 National Sporting Clays Championship at the National Shooting Complex in San Antonio, TX.
Team Beretta members in attendance at this competition included Zachary Kienbaum, Anthony Matarese, Jr., Joseph Fanizzi, Desirae Edmunds, Diane Sorantino, Dominic Grossi, Meagan Harrington, and Jared Greenwood.
Kienbaum, shooting with a Beretta DT11, secured his third HOA National Champion title with an exceptional score of 285 out of 300 targets, besting his nearest competitor by 1 target. With this accomplishment and his back-to-back National wins in 2018 and 2019, Kienbaum joins a select group of two other sporting clays athletes as the only competitors to have ever won 3 National Championship HOA titles in NSCA history. Kienbaum, shooting with a Beretta A300 Ultima, also took home an additional champion title in the 20 Gauge event with a score of 94 out of 100 targets.
This could arguably be one of the best jobs on earth. I’m not sure who’s job to admire the most – this one, or Ron Spomer’s job as a pro hunter.
But then, jealousy is a sin, so I better leave it at admiration for a job well done. And that DT11 starts at $10,000.
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